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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Your statement would be wise were it not that it ignored the foreign leader of topic.
    No it didnt ignore that at all.


    So when it comes to Saddam Hussein, merely stating that our job is not to overthrow foreign leaders doesn't quite cover the issue. Some would argue that instead of simply rushing in to ovethrow a foreign leader we gave him 12 years to stop being the Middle East menace his neighbors were constantly afraid of. The invasion of Iraq was always just a matter of time.
    It shouldnt just been a "matter of time". Saddam never threatened the US, he never killed an innocent US civilian. He posed no threat to us.
    Did you remember this?
    Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice Tell The Truth About Iraq - YouTube

    His military was never rebuild after the first gulf war, he was weak, his economy was in shambles, he was in not use to go to or threaten anyone.


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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I could not disagree more. The terrorists are absolutists. You and they might get along.
    The terrorists believe that the ends justify the means, exactly like the US did in the Iraq invasion and occupation.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Most of your private fantasy world, perhaps.
    Top REPUBLICAN Leaders Say Iraq War Was Really about Oil | Washington's Blog
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Who made you Pope?



    I supported the Iraq war regardless of WMDs. Other parts of the platform were far more important to me (see signature, below).
    Ideology over human rights?
    Every political good carried to the extreme must be productive of evil.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Only our convenience makes us better. I realize that acknowledging human nature is difficult, but the truth is that we are all immoral when the lights are out. Is the poor unemployed man robbing the local store to feed his starving family less moral than the rich man who feasts nightly? Convenience defines most things. Dropping nuclear bombs on civilian cities vs. a terrorists who slaughter a couple hundred people. "Terrorism" is a funny definition. Pretending otherwise is exactly why we are involved in wars longer than we need to be and seeing more blood run than is necessary. It's our "morality" that allows us to stand by and watch people starve to death at the hands of foriegn leaders. It's our "morality" that has us obeying international laws of stability where oppressive and brutal nations have a vote. It's out "morality" that kicks in only after we decide that enough is enough and we send CNN and FOX along with troops to record the carnage we created by ignoring the problems.

    I have no problem with my moraity. I define it according to the world I live in and what I have seen the truth of. Others define their morality to convenience, outdated international laws, and the false idea of a utopian world that doesn't exist. The Middle East lingers in misery and blood baths because our "morality" has refrained us from making these terrorists and their part of the civilization so scared that they would rather defy their God than defy us. Our retaliations should be so shocking that even our allies cringe. But instead we play this "moral" game. How much longer and how much more blood would have been shed had we played this game during World War II? For one side to lose a war, it must be convinced that it lost. Our morality has denied us the ability to convice anybody since World War II. Even the "victory" during the Gulf War was hlf assed and hallow given what it set us up for in 2003. We have lost our ability to convince anybody due to our false sense of superior morality. All we have done is prove to the world that we can a create a great amount of damage while preaching about morality. And what's morality without a victory? It's bull ****. Victory is forgiven and only then will our morality mean something.
    morality isn't based on fear.
    Every political good carried to the extreme must be productive of evil.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    The mere act of repeating nonsense doesn't make it any less nonsense.
    truth is nonsense?
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    It is the same as saying the world is better with him. If you don't think so, then indeed, it's YOU who has the "comprehension problem" -- though that is plain enough with the inane posts you've made in this thread.

    In any case, the idea that it's not better without him, his death squads, his sons, his mass executions -- you're so wrapped up in anti-Bush and anti-American drivel that your head is twisted around several times.

    Haterz gonna hate, though, so I won't bother trying to change your mind on any of the nonsense. The radical seldom have any inclination to moderate themselves.
    saying no to the question ..... Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein? is not the same thing as saying he made the world a better place.
    Every political good carried to the extreme must be productive of evil.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I may indeed. I believe the GWB administration sought to create a Middle East Pax Americana based in Iraq to enable a comprehensive Israeli-Palestinian peace agreement.
    and it failed dismally .....
    Every political good carried to the extreme must be productive of evil.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    Many influential people world wide believed he was a serious threat, including Joe Biden, John Kerry, and Hillary Clinton. That's what we knew at the time, and that's what we went off of. Did you know at the time that we or one of our allies wouldn't get attacked with WMD's?....of course you didn't. And how do you know that he didn't bury them in the sand? Is it more important for you to hail some kind of moral victory with the advantage of hindsight rather that to say with humility that we tried our best?

    I've always wondered if much of the PTSD from this war comes from our service people injuring and or killing Iraqi's for the sake of freedom and justice, only to have the case made ad nauseam that it was totally unjustified.
    perhaps the problem is that influential people are prone to believing what they want to believe, rather than relying on fact.

    in the build up to the war I saw/heard many interviews with people who were well informed that argued the contrary.

    At the very least, invading a country when there was a substantial doubt about WMD's should have been avoided.

    I suspect you don't know much about PTSD, based on your post.
    Every political good carried to the extreme must be productive of evil.

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