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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    If there were another attack on the scale of 9/11, but this time it was Saddam's government responsible, would it have been worth it then?
    that would be a differrent story, wouldn't it? the issue is that they concocted a story that resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people, among them thousands of soldiers who deserved better JC ... that's where the criminality lies ... what they did was reprehensible and they'll live the rests of their lives in comfort, while the families of those killed will suffer their loss day in and day out until the day they die ... it almost doesn't matter, does it? I think we know the way it will end, regardless ...

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Yes, it would be a different story had we not gone to war with Iraq, and you don't know the outcome.

    Who concocted this story?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bori View Post
    that would be a differrent story, wouldn't it? the issue is that they concocted a story that resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people, among them thousands of soldiers who deserved better JC ... that's where the criminality lies ... what they did was reprehensible and they'll live the rests of their lives in comfort, while the families of those killed will suffer their loss day in and day out until the day they die ... it almost doesn't matter, does it? I think we know the way it will end, regardless ...

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by marywollstonecraft View Post
    shrug ...

    I'm still sorry that you feel so ashamed of your nation that you believe yourselves to be the worst people ever.
    We're not the worst, but we are the most dangerous due to our military strength and tendency to meddle in other's affairs.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    It is important that everyone know that Cheney clearly knew the likely result of an invasion of Iraq. (its catually imppressive how accurate his prediction was) I suspect he probably mentioned it to Bush at some point. Their decision to proceed with the attack, invasion and occupation despite this knowledge was criminal.

    ".....if we'd gone to Baghdad we would have been all alone. There wouldn't have been anybody else with us. There would have been a U.S. occupation of Iraq. None of the Arab forces that were willing to fight with us in Kuwait were willing to invade Iraq.

    Once you got to Iraq and took it over, took down Saddam Hussein's government, then what are you going to put in its place? That's a very volatile part of the world, and if you take down the central government of Iraq, you could very easily end up seeing pieces of Iraq fly off: part of it, the Syrians would like to have to the west, part of it -- eastern Iraq -- the Iranians would like to claim, they fought over it for eight years. In the north you've got the Kurds, and if the Kurds spin loose and join with the Kurds in Turkey, then you threaten the territorial integrity of Turkey.

    It's a quagmire if you go that far and try to take over Iraq.

    The other thing was casualties. Everyone was impressed with the fact we were able to do our job with as few casualties as we had. But for the 146 Americans killed in action, and for their families -- it wasn't a cheap war. And the question for the president, in terms of whether or not we went on to Baghdad, took additional casualties in an effort to get Saddam Hussein, was how many additional dead Americans is Saddam worth?

    Our judgment was, not very many, and I think we got it right."
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    Yes, it would be a different story had we not gone to war with Iraq, and you don't know the outcome.

    Who concocted this story?
    JC, if after looking at the evidence, you still believe that the administration believed that Iraq had something to do with 9/11, God Bless You, but I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince you of that. have a good one ...

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bori View Post
    wouldn't it be nice if we could always agree on what the truth is?


    Simple-take the opposite of anything that the Bush mis-administration said about the Iraq war and you will have the truth.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Simple-take the opposite of anything that the Bush mis-administration said about the Iraq war and you will have the truth.
    Sadly, I have no doubt you believe this sincerely.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    You would be quite surprised by GWB's intellectual depth and range.



    Tony Blair wrote in 2010 that the caricature of Bush as being dumb is "ludicrous" and that Bush is "very smart".

    I have never doubted that.

    But a lot of smart people do a lot of what turn out to be seen as stupid things because of the choices they make.

    Bush made enough bad choices to be considered one of America's worst presidents by panels of historians and presidential scholars.

    I accept their judgement which you can read here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W_Bush#Image

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Tony Blair wrote in 2010 that the caricature of Bush as being dumb is "ludicrous" and that Bush is "very smart".

    I have never doubted that.

    But a lot of smart people do a lot of what turn out to be seen as stupid things because of the choices they make.

    Bush made enough bad choices to be considered one of America's worst presidents by panels of historians and presidential scholars.

    I accept their judgement which you can read here: George W. Bush - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    History's judgments evolve over time. I think I'll let a little more go by. Thanks.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Tony Blair wrote in 2010 that the caricature of Bush as being dumb is "ludicrous" and that Bush is "very smart".

    I have never doubted that.

    But a lot of smart people do a lot of what turn out to be seen as stupid things because of the choices they make.

    Bush made enough bad choices to be considered one of America's worst presidents by panels of historians and presidential scholars.

    I accept their judgement which you can read here: George W. Bush - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Wait a sercond ... what standard are you holding him up to? And what is Blair supposed to say? Blair is now held in contempt by many Brits for being the Bush's gofer ... I agree, he's not as dumb as Palin or Quayle, but come on guys ...

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