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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    My thesis (msc) was about rural agricultural development in Africa. My dissertation (phd, interdisciplinary ecology spec. gender) is about agricultural technology introduction and dissemination in rural Africa.
    You have degrees in African studies? How unexpected. Did you recieve any grant money for this?

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    Many influential people world wide believed he was a serious threat, including Joe Biden, John Kerry, and Hillary Clinton. That's what we knew at the time, and that's what we went off of. Did you know at the time that we or one of our allies wouldn't get attacked with WMD's?....of course you didn't. And how do you know that he didn't bury them in the sand? Is it more important for you to hail some kind of moral victory with the advantage of hindsight rather that to say with humility that we tried our best?

    I've always wondered if much of the PTSD from this war comes from our service people injuring and or killing Iraqi's for the sake of freedom and justice, only to have the case made ad nauseam that it was totally unjustified.
    there was no credible evidence and I think a lot of folks who voted for the war did so because of political expediency ... people were afraid, and we're big on revenge as a country and wanted to do someting to someone ... many politicians, Dems among them, had no backbone on this one ... the issue is whether the administration concocted stuff to justify going in and the evidence suggests rather strongly that they did ... I think Hubris was well done, although I know that most conservatives will dismiss it outright regardless of the evidence ... the issue isn't whether Iraq is better off without him ... the issue is whether it was worth the cost. Can you imagine if we expended an equal number of lives and money on every head of state who their country would be better off without?

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    You have degrees in African studies? How unexpected. Did you recieve any grant money for this?
    My degrees are International Environmental Science and Interdisciplinary Ecology spc. Gender. I conducted research, alone, in rural Africa for 3 months for the thesis and 2 years for the phd. I did it on personal savings (after the GI Bill/College Fund ran out); no grants, no NGOs, no GOs and no western contacts in country. It doesn't cost much to live and research for two years without electricity and running water. Some pics of the village here: ecofarm's Album: pics

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    My degrees are International Environmental Science and Interdisciplinary Ecology spc. Gender. I conducted research, alone, in rural Africa for 3 months for the thesis and 2 years for the phd. I did it on personal savings (after the GI Bill/College Fund ran out); no grants, no NGOs, no GOs and no western contacts in country. It doesn't cost much to live and research for two years without electricity and running water. Some pics of the village here: ecofarm's Album: pics
    good luck ... writing the darn thing is a long and lonely enterprise, but worth the time and effort ... again, good luck ... (BTW, where in Africa?)

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bori View Post
    good luck ... writing the darn thing is a long and lonely enterprise, but worth the time and effort ... again, good luck ... (BTW, where in Africa?)
    The writing is mostly done. I just gotta combine files, edit, create graphs maps and charts and build a final system model. Kenya, south (wet) side of the mountain, up against the forest.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    I have always acknowledged that there are bad guys on both sides.

    But I don't believe that justifies the USA using an/or creating these regimes.

    "Timmy did it too" has never been an excuse for bad behavior. Check with your mother on this.

    The USA was happy to use Saddam to restrain Iran for a while.Attachment 67144854

    Yes, that's Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam in happier days for the two of them.
    There is no sportsmanship trophy in international relations. We take our friends where we can find them.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I can't handle The Truth!


    Whether you can handle it or not, the truth is always the truth.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    It provides more evidence than anyone has provided evidence that Iraq was a threat, which is why a majority of people in the world agree the Iraq war was about oil. You may believe whatever you wish.
    I may indeed. I believe the GWB administration sought to create a Middle East Pax Americana based in Iraq to enable a comprehensive Israeli-Palestinian peace agreement.
    "It's always reassuring to find you've made the right enemies." -- William J. Donovan

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    The writing is mostly done. I just gotta combine files, edit, create graphs maps and charts and build a final system model. Kenya, south (wet) side of the mountain, up against the forest.
    congratulations!

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I may indeed. I believe the GWB administration sought to create a Middle East Pax Americana based in Iraq to enable a comprehensive Israeli-Palestinian peace agreement.
    Do you think Bush knows what "Pax Americana" means? Actually, do think he knows what "comprehensive" means?

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