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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    And guess who set it up?

    The USA did and here's the proof:

    http://www.democracynow.org/2013/3/2...ure_centers_in

    A shocking new report by the Guardian and BBC Arabic details how the United States armed and trained Iraqi death squads that ran torture centers. It is a story that stretches from the U.S.-backed death squads in Central America in the 1980's to the imprisoned Army whistleblower Bradley Manning.

    The video exposes the role that retired U.S. Army colonel, and torture expert, James Steele, a veteran of U.S. proxy wars in El Salvador and Nicaragua, played in training Iraqi police commando units.

    A Pentagon spokesman told the Guardian it had seen the reports and was looking into the situation. This is way worse than Abu Ghraib, it goes up the chain of command, Colonel Steele reported directly to General Petraeus, who reported to G.W. Bush. Do the math.

    This will not go away. Some people may be going to jail.

    They should be going to jail, they crossed the line.


    And yet some people seem surprised that Iraqis consider the hell of Saddam the lesser of the hell of the US military!!!
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonzai View Post
    I think you need to remind him that Halliburton's success is not neccessarily "our" success......................


    But it's 'Dick' Cheney's success!

    Isn't that a great American story?

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    And yet some people seem surprised that Iraqis consider the hell of Saddam the lesser of the hell of the US military!!!


    Did you watch the video?

    I do believe that there will be consequences.

    We may need to start a thread about this news. I'll check it out.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    And yet some people seem surprised that Iraqis consider the hell of Saddam the lesser of the hell of the US military!!!


    The people in Iraq are not surprised. Many of them were victims of this torture.

    Learn more here: Pentagon investigating link between US military and torture centres in Iraq | World news | The Guardian

    It will be interesting to see if the GOP-controlled House opens up an investigation into this.

    Probably not, I'm sure that they have 'more important things to do'.

    Maybe the Senate will take a look at it.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I've read that they are happy that he's gone, except of course his insurgent supporters. Same thing would be happening if the Iraqis themselves took him out. His own party members would wage attacks. That is just how things are over there, and it's going to take a lot of time for things to settle down. I'm hopeful that eventually things will work out over there eventually. If you want to continue with bitterness over the GWB era, and be hopeless, then that's fine.
    well I would say that you access some pretty limited sources.

    BBC World Service - The Documentary, After Saddam - Hugh Sykes Returns To Iraq, Episode 1

    I would also say that you have hardly ever spoken to an Iraqi.

    religious minorities such as Sabeans and Christians were better off under Saddam. The Sabeans and Chtistians I have met have fled SINCE 2003. And they will never go back:

    Persecution of Religious Minorities in Iraq by Shatha Almutawa

    the UN estimates that about 7% of the population fled:

    Refugees of Iraq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    these people are not insurgents.

    The people who live in fear now are not insurgents.

    Its not a matter of whether I am bitter.

    As someone who has over many years worked with people from Iraq, I am offended by the inhumanity expressed by those who dismiss the ongoing tragedy and refuse to accept that the invasion was the catalyst for hundreds of thousands of deaths and the suffering of millions of people, no matter what evidence is presented.
    Every political good carried to the extreme must be productive of evil.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Let's face it, the United States is damned if they do take action and damned if they don't take action, so we're always going to be the bad guys in some people's eyes who can't seem to grasp the entire picture.
    The problem is that often it is the US that doesn't grasp the entire picture. they see it through a prism of "what will benefit the corporations that grease the US govts palm."
    Every political good carried to the extreme must be productive of evil.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Oh, *yawn*. Not this routine again.

    That was then, this is now. Live in the now!

    Do you honestly believe that you're the only person who knows that the US is not perfect? Do you really believe that anyone thinks so? Why must you review elementary history school, complete with personal perversions, every time someone criticizes Saddam.
    ... those who ignore history ....
    Every political good carried to the extreme must be productive of evil.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by marywollstonecraft View Post
    ... those who ignore history ....
    Oh, please! There's a big difference between ignoring history and refusing to accept that actions decades or centuries ago define foreign policy today. I'm not asking that people ignore the past, just that they pay some kind of attention to the world today.
    Last edited by ecofarm; 03-24-13 at 02:37 AM.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by marywollstonecraft View Post
    ... those who ignore history ....


    Are probably not quite as bad as those who try to rewrite it, as many on these forums try to do.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Who the hell would vote "no"? It doesn't make you a Bush supporter if you think the world is better off without him.
    ... people who are well informed?
    Every political good carried to the extreme must be productive of evil.

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