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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I can't stand aside for that.
    So you want to invade Africa?

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Well, we give them money, money, money and help, help, help, and then we allow them to set up their own governments which turn on us. That's what happens a lot of times. So we set up governments with the hope that we can say, "here's your guy, now take care of yourselves." Of course we might think about what would benefit us and the rest of the world, but the stability and safety of the region is also taken into consideration. Never seems to work out that way though.

    I guess that we can count Germany, Italy, Japan, and Korea as success stories (Of course they started out with an educated population). And there are some others.

    But there are some countries that we should have left alone.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post


    I don't believe that everybody wants to rule the the world, but I do believe that all those who have tried have made a mess of it.

    I like the song.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    I like the song.
    I spared us the video, I deserve a thanks for that.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Is there any evidence of mass murders lately under the new regime, or people just disappearing into thin air? I like you're "one Iraqi" quote too. Not to mention, we only captured him and turned him over to the Iraqis. We didn't kill Saddam Hussein, the Iraqi people did.
    Do you mean in addition to the hundreds of thousands killed necessary to install the new regime? And we aided Saddam for 8 years when he was the most brutal. Why wait until he was an old man with a shotgun?

    Torture in Iraq 'worse than under Saddam'

    "Torture in Iraq is worse now than it was under the regime of Saddam Hussein and "is totally out of hand", according to a United Nations investigator.
    "The situation is so bad many people say it is worse than it has been in the times of Saddam Hussein," said Manfred Nowak, a UN special investigator on torture, at a press conference in Geneva.

    He said government forces, private militia and terrorist groups were all involved.

    "You have terrorist groups, you have the military, you have police, you have these militias. There are so many people who are actually abducted, seriously tortured and finally killed," said Mr Nowak, an Austrian law professor."

    Torture in Iraq 'worse than under Saddam' | World news | guardian.co.uk
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Do you mean in addition to the hundreds of thousands killed necessary to install the new regime? And we aided Saddam for 8 years when he was the most brutal. Why wait until he was an old man with a shotgun?

    Torture in Iraq 'worse than under Saddam'

    "Torture in Iraq is worse now than it was under the regime of Saddam Hussein and "is totally out of hand", according to a United Nations investigator.
    "The situation is so bad many people say it is worse than it has been in the times of Saddam Hussein," said Manfred Nowak, a UN special investigator on torture, at a press conference in Geneva.

    He said government forces, private militia and terrorist groups were all involved.

    "You have terrorist groups, you have the military, you have police, you have these militias. There are so many people who are actually abducted, seriously tortured and finally killed," said Mr Nowak, an Austrian law professor."

    Torture in Iraq 'worse than under Saddam' | World news | guardian.co.uk

    Don't be tellin' those nasty truths here. Can't y'all detect that they is a whole crew participating on this OP that lives in a bubble. It worse than a FauxNEWS shutdown and they gotta think fo' themselves. They'll be fartin' in the cookie jars.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Fascinating link that provides no evidence whatsoever that the war was fought for access to Iraqi oil. War in Iraq has indeed always been about oil for the US: oil in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. The fact that Iraq's oil sector was state-owned and is now privatized only puts Iraq in step with most other major oil producers. As for Halliburton, it is by far the world's largest and most capable oil production services firm. They are everywhere, so it's unsurprising that they're in Iraq. Learn first. Then post.
    It provides more evidence than anyone has provided evidence that Iraq was a threat, which is why a majority of people in the world agree the Iraq war was about oil. You may believe whatever you wish.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    It provides more evidence than anyone has provided evidence that Iraq was a threat, which is why a majority of people in the world agree the Iraq war was about oil. You may believe whatever you wish.
    I think you need to remind him that Halliburton's success is not neccessarily "our" success......................

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    We try to run the world.
    To the benefit of the wealthy, its called hegemony.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Torture in Iraq 'worse than under Saddam'


    And guess who set it up?

    The USA did and here's the proof:

    www.democracynow.org/2013/3/22/new_expos_links_torture_centers_in

    A shocking new report by the Guardian and BBC Arabic details how the United States armed and trained Iraqi death squads that ran torture centers. It is a story that stretches from the U.S.-backed death squads in Central America in the 1980's to the imprisoned Army whistleblower Bradley Manning.

    The video exposes the role that retired U.S. Army colonel, and torture expert, James Steele, a veteran of U.S. proxy wars in El Salvador and Nicaragua, played in training Iraqi police commando units.

    A Pentagon spokesman told the Guardian it had seen the reports and was looking into the situation. This is way worse than Abu Ghraib, it goes up the chain of command, Colonel Steele reported directly to General Petraeus, who reported to G.W. Bush. Do the math.

    This will not go away. Some people may be going to jail.

    They should be going to jail, they crossed the line.

    If you don't go to the link and watch the video, don't post a comment because you won't know what you are talking about, OK?
    Last edited by shrubnose; 03-24-13 at 01:37 AM.

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