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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    When we removewd Saddam from power we essentially took away the only credible military threat in the region to Iran. We opened the door for them to establish a foothold in Iraq and enabled them to consolidate all of their mischief making away from their own border.

    So while the people of Iraq may be better off, the world - and the middle east generally - is not.
    I visit Tunisia quite often..they have deposed their President..who now lives in Saudi..people burn themselves to death quite frequently in Tunis..with placards round their necks stating ''Nothings changed''

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfie View Post
    I visit Tunisia quite often..they have deposed their President..who now lives in Saudi..people burn themselves to death quite frequently in Tunis..with placards round their necks stating ''Nothings changed''


    Nor has anything changed in Saudi Arabia and a lot of other countries all over this planet that the USA claims as friends where basic human rights do not exist.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Nor has anything changed in Saudi Arabia and a lot of other countries all over this planet that the USA claims as friends where basic human rights do not exist.
    Unless there is any oil involved..we all look on at these atrocities..afraid they will pull the plug..and stop our economy..and they know it..

    They can commit any abhorrence they wish to...

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    It is when it costs so many people their lives and so many others their health.

    Someone needs to pay a price for that.

    No one has really even said that they're sorry yet, unless I missed it.
    Still not a crime.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I don't guess you noticed who the other major belligerent was in the Iraq war? US and British oil firms were kicked out of Iraq in 1973 when Iraq nationalized the remainder of their oil fields. They are back in Iraq for the very first time since 1973, and this was made possible by our invasion, regime change and new oil law we demanded as a benchmark for leaving.

    "Yes, the Iraq War was a war for oil, and it was a war with winners: Big Oil.

    It has been 10 years since Operation Iraqi Freedom's bombs first landed in Baghdad. And while most of the U.S.-led coalition forces have long since gone, Western oil companies are only getting started.

    Before the 2003 invasion, Iraq's domestic oil industry was fully nationalized and closed to Western oil companies. A decade of war later, it is largely privatized and utterly dominated by foreign firms.

    "From ExxonMobil and Chevron to BP and Shell, the West's largest oil companies have set up shop in Iraq. So have a slew of American oil service companies, including Halliburton, the Texas-based firm Dick Cheney ran before becoming George W. Bush's running mate in 2000.

    The war is the one and only reason for this long sought and newly acquired access."

    "For the first time in about 30 years, Western oil companies are exploring for and producing oil in Iraq from some of the world's largest oil fields and reaping enormous profit. And while the U.S. has also maintained a fairly consistent level of Iraq oil imports since the invasion, the benefits are not finding their way through Iraq's economy or society.

    These outcomes were by design, the result of a decade of U.S. government and oil company pressure. In 1998, Kenneth Derr, then CEO of Chevron, said, "Iraq possesses huge reserves of oil and gas-reserves I'd love Chevron to have access to." Today it does."



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    Why the war in Iraq was fought for Big Oil | News - Home
    Fascinating link that provides no evidence whatsoever that the war was fought for access to Iraqi oil. War in Iraq has indeed always been about oil for the US: oil in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. The fact that Iraq's oil sector was state-owned and is now privatized only puts Iraq in step with most other major oil producers. As for Halliburton, it is by far the world's largest and most capable oil production services firm. They are everywhere, so it's unsurprising that they're in Iraq. Learn first. Then post.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    For one thing, I have to question your figures. If you do some research, you will find that the estimates of the death toll related to the war is very questionable and controversial. For one thing, a lot of deaths that were caused by insurgents are included in those death tolls, such as car bombings, market bombings, roadside IEDs, etc. All of those things have led to the deaths of innocent Iraqi citizens.

    Conditions are definitely a mess over there because of the war. Such is the cost of war. I think that if they can get a decent administration in place, they could really make some headway. Democracy and order isn't going to take place overnight, and I think it would be kind of silly to expect that to happen in the first place.
    Even Iraqi Body Count, considered about as reliable as GWShiiteForBrains WMD claims, acknowledges 123,000 killed and states the figure is probably 2-3 times that if you include the citizens killed by causing instability in Iraq. We caused that instability. Cost of war=Cost of lies about WMD.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Nor has anything changed in Saudi Arabia and a lot of other countries all over this planet that the USA claims as friends where basic human rights do not exist.
    That's OK. There are a lot of repressive regimes not friendly to us.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Why can you not give any examples of your claim? What democrats/democracies are fake?

    Are you saying that the West, or the US, is worse than Saddam?
    l am clear enough ,

    global means " west " to you ? ,but money has no race.........

    it is disappointing to see that people ignore the most disgusting tragedy of this century after the holocaust and focus on a person who was the leader of an independent country once upon a time

    saddam never forced the people to rape their own daughters!!

    he was dictator but he couldnt meet the benefits of the globalist capital like fascist latin american dictators .
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    l am clear enough ,

    global means " west " to you ?
    Global is worse than Saddam?

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    l am clear enough ,

    global means " west " to you ? ,but money has no race.........

    it is disappointing to see that people ignore the most disgusting tragedy of this century after the holocaust and focus on a person who was the leader of an independent country once upon a time
    Hmmm. The Holocaust was in the 20th century. The Iraq war was in the 21st. To which century do you refer? What about collectivization in the USSR? China's Great Leap Forward? China's Cultural Revolution? The Cambodian killing fields?
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