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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Who on earth would say this world ISN'T a better place without him? He was a murderous tyrant.


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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    the ones who support fascist dictators ,who are the puppets of globalists


    l dont understand why the middle class defends the global creepies.
    Why can you not give any examples of your claim? What democrats/democracies are fake?

    Are you saying that the West, or the US, is worse than Saddam?

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Im still waiting for someone to explain to me how this has affected the WORLD... and not just IRAQ.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Im still waiting for someone to explain to me how this has affected the WORLD... and not just IRAQ.
    In ~20 years, Saddam spent ~half invading neighbors.
    17 Chapter 7 UNSCRS
    Heavy sanctions
    IAEA evasion for a fake WMD program (meant to scare Iran)
    Firing on no-fly zones created to prevent genocide

    In more than a few ways, Saddam gave the world the run-around and his neighbors war.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bori View Post
    good post (btw, I like the stuff you wrote) -- let's say the world is better off without him (as it would've been without Cheney, Bush, Rumsfeld, Beck, Bachmann, and Limbaugh), the real question is whether it was worth the price. I think most of us would agree that taking Hitler out was worth the price. Was it really for Saddam Hussein? And if anyone's answer is yes, can you think of other tyrants that should go and are you willing to sacrifice your life and that of your loved ones to take them out too (rather than avoiding combat as Cheney, Bush, and Rumsfeld did)?
    I think the answer is never black and white.

    There will be Iraqis who are glad saddam has gone - and I wouldn't pretend to say otherwise, but the cost, for a far larger number of Iraqis was way too high.

    those of us sitting in countries which haven't experienced anything like a war on our own soil over the last 60 years are not really in a position to judge on this, because it really hasn't cost us that much (even trillions in debt is not comparable to what it has cost the Iraqis).

    other dictators like saddam ... again, I am really not sure that it is that black and white. If you look at Syria, I think Assad should go, but TBH, I think a lot of the rebels are not those we would regard as welcome friends, and I suspect that alawites and Christians, and possibly some others, will suffer more AFTER the fall of Assad than they ever did before this whole thing started.

    I also suspect the position of women will be worse, and Israel may be more vulnerable to attack from that quarter.

    Libya ... well, we don't hear about that so much these days, and while I think there may be some positives that came out of it, my understanding is that while state violence is less, inter tribal violence is worse ...

    and then, while the Arab spring may have erupted in north Africa, attempts in places like Bahrain have been quashed, yet Shi'ites there have been the victims of harassment and discriminations for decades - and it seems that we support the abuse of their human rights.

    I think the Iranian regime is a shocker, but are we helping or hindering the people there with our sanctions?

    Myanmar was a brutal dictatorship for decades, we didn't do anything at all but change eventually came about with new leadership, ...

    I think these issues are extremely difficult. We seem to side against/for a dictator, depending on our own interests, and it seems that sometimes we encourage uprisings that will lead to even greater instability for the people.

    I suspect if you really want some of these situations to improve for the people, you have to offer incentives to make corrupt dictators want to change. even those who are guilty of gross abuses of human rights ... it would probably save lives in the end.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Im still waiting for someone to explain to me how this has affected the WORLD... and not just IRAQ.
    Its probably made Iran stronger - or at least allowed the regime there to feel justified.

    In some senses, it has also allowed Iranian Shi'a fundamentalists to have a far greater influence in Iraq

    al qaeda in Iraq that started suicide bombings and internal terrorist activities (they didn't exist under saddam) spread to Afghanistan, and increased the level of violence there.

    the millions of refugees that fled into neighbouring countries have contributed to higher levels of social and political instability on the region generally.

    It is unlikely that several other bombings that occurred in western countries (eg Madrid and London bombings) would have happened.

    It has probably made the world less safe in many ways, and it has contributed to a greater level of anti American sentiment, not just in the arab world, but in a number of other countries.
    Every political good carried to the extreme must be productive of evil.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Who on earth would say this world ISN'T a better place without him? He was a murderous tyrant.
    When you replace evil with evil...you didn't make things better. Iraqis are not living any better today than they were under Hussein. They have to deal with a lot including rolling blackouts, terrible infrastructure, terrorist insurgents, etc...
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    We didn't kill Saddam Hussein, the Iraqi people did.


    Could the Iraqis have killed him if the USA had shipped him to Gitmo?

    I don't believe.

    The USA abdicated it's responsibility, no big deal, just another war crime.



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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Good Lord, now I've heard everything.



    No, you haven't, you're still alive.

    If you pay attention you'll hear a lot more.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Who on earth would say this world ISN'T a better place without him? He was a murderous tyrant.


    I will agree that the world is a better place without him, but who gave anyone the right to kill him or anyone else?

    When you start killing people, how do you know where to stop?

    The world would also be a better place if G.W. Bush hadn't been born, but time travel hasn't been invented yet.

    Someone should get to work on that.

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