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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    absolutely.
    .... not.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Neither BP nor Shell is a US company. US service firms dominate the industry and are present everywhere. You presented no evidence that ExxonMobil or any other US oil company is in Iraq on any significant scale.
    I don't guess you noticed who the other major belligerent was in the Iraq war? US and British oil firms were kicked out of Iraq in 1973 when Iraq nationalized the remainder of their oil fields. They are back in Iraq for the very first time since 1973, and this was made possible by our invasion, regime change and new oil law we demanded as a benchmark for leaving.

    "Yes, the Iraq War was a war for oil, and it was a war with winners: Big Oil.

    It has been 10 years since Operation Iraqi Freedom's bombs first landed in Baghdad. And while most of the U.S.-led coalition forces have long since gone, Western oil companies are only getting started.

    Before the 2003 invasion, Iraq's domestic oil industry was fully nationalized and closed to Western oil companies. A decade of war later, it is largely privatized and utterly dominated by foreign firms.

    "From ExxonMobil and Chevron to BP and Shell, the West's largest oil companies have set up shop in Iraq. So have a slew of American oil service companies, including Halliburton, the Texas-based firm Dick Cheney ran before becoming George W. Bush's running mate in 2000.

    The war is the one and only reason for this long sought and newly acquired access."

    "For the first time in about 30 years, Western oil companies are exploring for and producing oil in Iraq from some of the world's largest oil fields and reaping enormous profit. And while the U.S. has also maintained a fairly consistent level of Iraq oil imports since the invasion, the benefits are not finding their way through Iraq's economy or society.

    These outcomes were by design, the result of a decade of U.S. government and oil company pressure. In 1998, Kenneth Derr, then CEO of Chevron, said, "Iraq possesses huge reserves of oil and gas-reserves I'd love Chevron to have access to." Today it does."



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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Who are the fake democrats/democracies?
    the ones who support fascist dictators ,who are the puppets of globalists


    l dont understand why the middle class defends the global creepies.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Most of that he did when we were his ally. And we've killed almost as many Iraqis as he did. As one Iraqi said that escaped - "The hell that was Saddam was not as bad as the hell that was the US military." And the government there now is just as corrupt as the last one.
    Is there any evidence of mass murders lately under the new regime, or people just disappearing into thin air? I like you're "one Iraqi" quote too. Not to mention, we only captured him and turned him over to the Iraqis. We didn't kill Saddam Hussein, the Iraqi people did.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Is there any evidence of mass murders lately under the new regime, or people just disappearing into thin air? I like you're "one Iraqi" quote too. Not to mention, we only captured him and turned him over to the Iraqis. We didn't kill Saddam Hussein, the Iraqi people did.
    yes but you let it happen.

    saddam was not a serbian rapist like mladiç and karadziç .

    Qaddafi ,saddam and assad now ?

    viva democracy .))))
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    yes but you let it happen.

    saddam was not a serbian rapist like mladiç and karadziç .

    Qaddafi ,saddam and assad now ?

    viva democracy .))))
    Medusa, he was found guilty of crimes against humanity and executed by his own people. We only turned him over to them. He was a terrible rotten person Medusa.

    Just SOME of Saddam's crimes.

    The War Crimes of Saddam Hussein - War Crimes of Saddam Hussein

    Ethnic Cleansing:

    The two dominant ethnicities of Iraq have traditionally been Arabs in south and central Iraq, and Kurds in the north and northeast, particularly along the Iranian border. Hussein long viewed ethnic Kurds as a long-term threat to Iraq's survival, and the oppression and extermination of the Kurds was one of his administration's highest priorities.
    Religious Persecution:

    The Baath Party was dominated by Sunni Muslims, who made up only about one-third of Iraq's general population; the other two-thirds was made up of Shiite Muslims, Shiism also happening to be the official religion of Iran. Throughout Hussein's tenure, and especially during the Iran-Iraq War (1980-1988), he saw the marginalization and eventual elimination of Shiism as a necessary goal in the Arabization process, by which Iraq would purge itself of all perceived Iranian influence.
    The Dujail Massacre of 1982:

    In July of 1982, several Shiite militants attempted to assassinate Saddam Hussein while he was riding through the city. Hussein responded by ordering the slaughter of some 148 residents, including dozens of children. This is the war crime with which Saddam Hussein was formally charged, and for which he was executed.
    The Barzani Clan Abductions of 1983:

    Masoud Barzani led the Kurdistan Democratic Party (KDP), an ethnic Kurdish revolutionary group fighting Baathist oppression. After Barzani cast his lot with the Iranians in the Iran-Iraq War, Hussein had some 8,000 members of Barzani's clan, including hundreds of women and children, abducted. It is assumed that most were slaughtered; thousands have been discovered in mass graves in southern Iraq.
    The al-Anfal Campaign:

    The worst human rights abuses of Hussein's tenure took place during the genocidal al-Anfal Campaign (1986-1989), in which Hussein's administration called for the extermination of every living thing--human or animal--in certain regions of the Kurdish north. All told, some 182,000 people--men, women, and children--were slaughtered, many through use of chemical weapons. The Halabja poison gas massacre of 1988 alone killed over 5,000 people. Hussein later blamed the attacks on the Iranians, and the Reagan administration, which supported Iraq in the Iran-Iraq War, helped promote this cover story.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Likely not as many. To quote an Iraqi on NPR, "Saddam had finished killing. All America will do is start the killing all over again." He was profoundly correct.
    OMG! He had finished killing? Seriously? A madman who idolized Stalin just decided to stop killing people to further his own self-aggrandizing agenda. Good Lord, now I've heard everything.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    There are 4,300 GIs that don't feel better off without him. There are 600,000 (Lancet) Iraqis that don't feel better off without him. There are millions of refugees that don't feel better off without him. There are birth defects and increased cancers to make many living Iraqis not feel better off without him. We got the OIL.
    For one thing, I have to question your figures. If you do some research, you will find that the estimates of the death toll related to the war is very questionable and controversial. For one thing, a lot of deaths that were caused by insurgents are included in those death tolls, such as car bombings, market bombings, roadside IEDs, etc. All of those things have led to the deaths of innocent Iraqi citizens.

    Conditions are definitely a mess over there because of the war. Such is the cost of war. I think that if they can get a decent administration in place, they could really make some headway. Democracy and order isn't going to take place overnight, and I think it would be kind of silly to expect that to happen in the first place.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    For one thing, I have to question your figures. If you do some research, you will find that the estimates of the death toll related to the war is very questionable and controversial. For one thing, a lot of deaths that were caused by insurgents are included in those death tolls, such as car bombings, market bombings, roadside IEDs, etc. All of those things have led to the deaths of innocent Iraqi citizens.

    Conditions are definitely a mess over there because of the war. Such is the cost of war. I think that if they can get a decent administration in place, they could really make some headway. Democracy and order isn't going to take place overnight, and I think it would be kind of silly to expect that to happen in the first place.
    this was not happening before the invasion. its all very well for americans to say its the cost of the war, but don't expect the millions of Iraqis who have lost family members, been injured, been made refugees SINCE the war to see you as the people who saved them from a tyrant.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by marywollstonecraft View Post
    this was not happening before the invasion. its all very well for americans to say its the cost of the war, but don't expect the millions of Iraqis who have lost family members, been injured, been made refugees SINCE the war to see you as the people who saved them from a tyrant.
    good post (btw, I like the stuff you wrote) -- let's say the world is better off without him (as it would've been without Cheney, Bush, Rumsfeld, Beck, Bachmann, and Limbaugh), the real question is whether it was worth the price. I think most of us would agree that taking Hitler out was worth the price. Was it really for Saddam Hussein? And if anyone's answer is yes, can you think of other tyrants that should go and are you willing to sacrifice your life and that of your loved ones to take them out too (rather than avoiding combat as Cheney, Bush, and Rumsfeld did)?

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