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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    It wouldn't be the first, or last, time that we followed the old adage: "The enemy of my enemy is my friend."
    And how did that practice work out for us and the poor Iraqis?


    Saddam did not need our help to consolidate his power.
    Only if you ignore the Shi'a and Kurdish movements seeking to overthrow the government, and his belligerent, Iran


    The decision to support him against Iran followed an assessment that his grip on power was not threatened. The oil we protected in the first Gulf War was the oil in the Saudi and Kuwaiti fields. Iraqi oil was never a war aim.

    Cheney's own task force report in 2002 spells out why Saddam's practice of withholding oil to drive up prices had to be stopped and recommended military action.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    As far as Germany goes the reasons were similar
    No, no they weren't. The differences are huge.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    And how did that practice work out for us and the poor Iraqis?




    Only if you ignore the Shi'a and Kurdish movements seeking to overthrow the government, and his belligerent, Iran





    Cheney's own task force report in 2002 spells out why Saddam's practice of withholding oil to drive up prices had to be stopped and recommended military action.
    The Iraqis are better off. The Shia & Kurds had no chance. You have read Cheney's task force report?
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The Iraqis are better off. The Shia & Kurds had no chance. You have read Cheney's task force report?
    When did the Iraqis ask us to invade and occupy their country? Who made you god to determine what another countries people want? The Shia and Kurds had more of a chance before we strengthened Saddam for 8 years. And yes, I have read Strategic Challenges for the 21st Century, completely. There is more proof in that report the war was about oil, then there was proof of Iraq being a threat to the US.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That's hyperbole nonsense as well. That kind of comment can never be taken seriously.
    neither can a liberal that supports poor performance without question

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, no they weren't. The differences are huge.
    Just by length of time to grow offenses against humanity

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    When did the Iraqis ask us to invade and occupy their country? Who made you god to determine what another countries people want? The Shia and Kurds had more of a chance before we strengthened Saddam for 8 years. And yes, I have read Strategic Challenges for the 21st Century, completely. There is more proof in that report the war was about oil, then there was proof of Iraq being a threat to the US.
    I make no claim that the Iraqis asked for anything. Nor do I claim to determine what they want. I merely offer my view that they are better off. The Shia and Kurds never, ever, had a chance. I'm sure you can point out the passage(s) in "Strategic Challenges for the 21st Century" that call for war with Iraq over oil. Please share.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Is it concerning to me? Yes. Does that mean we should of got directly involved if we were not attacked and not declared war upon? No. I think we should of kept up aid to the allied forces if we were not attacked but if we were not directly attacked or declared war upon i still think we shouldn't get involved.
    Just how long do you suppose America could have maintained its liberty with Europe and most of Asia under the boots of dictators?
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    neither can a liberal that supports poor performance without question
    You make another leap, as no one sad anything about not questioning anyone I anything. Don't they call what you just did a strawman argument?

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Just by length of time to grow offenses against humanity
    No. Read what I linked for you. Read it carefully. Also, as noted already, Germany was actually capable if doing something. Saddam and Iraq were not.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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