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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    except that Germany declared war on the USA. Iraq never did.
    Makes little difference, similar rulers, tactics, and outcomes

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by AreteCourage View Post
    Not really true....Clinton was busy bombing Kosovo at the time and didn't have the propaganda machine initiated for Iraq...that occurred after 9/11 when people were gullible enough to believe Hussein had ties to that attack..

    Thought everyone knew this but here you go read it and weep:

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Makes little difference, similar rulers, tactics, and outcomes
    A declaration of war makes little difference?
    How about a nation that actually had the power to carry out its imperialistic goals, as opposed to one that had no such power?
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Bingo!
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    A declaration of war makes little difference?
    How about a nation that actually had the power to carry out its imperialistic goals, as opposed to one that had no such power?
    I wonder how many wars we have been in and how many were declared.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    A declaration of war makes little difference?
    How about a nation that actually had the power to carry out its imperialistic goals, as opposed to one that had no such power?
    So you support any dictator in the world murdering, raping, and molesting people whether they be Jews or from Iraq?

    Interesting?

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    So you support any dictator in the world murdering, raping, and molesting people whether they be Jews or from Iraq?

    Interesting?
    It would be very interesting if anyone actually expressed such an opinion.

    Which, of course, hasn't happened, now has it?
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by risky thicket View Post
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    There are some pretty massive problems with your narrative.

    1. I'm not sure how it make sense to compare the removal of a brutal dictator (your words) to a butterfly spreading its wings. That is just nonsensical.

    2. Actually Saddam is ranked fairly high in terms of the amount of people slaughtered under his rule. Between the al-Anfal Campaign and the suppression operations of the 1990's it is estimated Saddam's regime directly murdered almost half a million of its citizens. This puts him somewhere in between Mengstu and Pol Pot, so let's not quibble: he was a monster.

    3. Iraq's acquisition of chemical weapons has sourced to a huge variety of countries and petrochemical companies that exported chemical compounds and in some cases synthesized materials to Iraq. The largest patrons were the Netherlands, Germany, France, Singapore, Brazil, etc. The United States provided comparatively little and nor did the Commerce Department approve the direct export of chemical products to Iraq.

    4. Desiring that neither Iranian theocracy nor the fascistic government of Iraq would dominate the region was not a sin on the Reagan administration. Like Kissinger quipped "It's a pity they can't both lose." Absent of direct intervention, the only tool the US had was tinkering with the levers of supply and support and fighting on the margins to prevent one side from claiming victory. Rumsfeld's visit to Baghdad took place in this context.

    5. No question the decision to abandon the Kurds, and specifically the Barzani's without warning is one of the darkest blemishes Kissinger has to his name. However it is again worth noting that absent actual intervention like we had in 2003 there was not a huge amount that could have been done beyond funneling arms and supplies to the Kurds which we had been doing.

    6. The Kurds should be outside national controls, they have a Federal agreement with the central government and quite frankly the KRG is an exemplar of what the Iraq War could still accomplish.

    7. The elections were hardly shams, that was the whole problem remember? Allawi's Iraqqiya list won a slim majority over Malaki's list, however it took months of painstaking negotiations to get a coalition agreement and keep the government standing. Despite the flaws the situation was resolved via a political resolution, not death squads. Moreover the recent local elections once again have shown that power can and has shifted electorally in the country.

    8. The proponents of the Iraq War are usually not arguing that in 2013 Iraq is better than it was in 1979 (before the Iran-Iraq war and the tightening of Saddam's group) what they have usually argued is that Saddam's removal and the implantation of democratic rule offers Iraq the chance at a better future than its ever expected before and the situation is continually improving.
    1. THAT is exactly the point, it is a nonsensical question...is the world better off.... either way. remember we are talking about the world, not just Iraq.

    2. can you source your estimate on civilian deaths? I can find where 122,000 Iraqi civilians died since 2003 in the post Saddam era we ushered in. Puts us up there on that list doesn't it?

    3. ahhh excellent dodge, WE didn't do much when compared to others, and we did turn a blind eye to much that was sent... very convenient, we claim multinationals did it, not us.... well whatever helps you sleep at nite.

    4. I don't believe we wanted both to lose, we wanted Iran punished and cared little for the details. Interesting that we forget we had a huge part in creating the 'bad' Iran and to this day work very hard to keep it that way. (not to put to fine a point on it but 'our' oil Muslims are Sunni and Iran is Shia that has something to do with it.) Reagan and his neo-con policy makers were playing checkers with little regard for future consequences. I seem to recall three attacks on US Navy ships that we didn't respond with strong military strikes. The USS Pueblo, the USS Liberty and the USS Stark. North Korea, Israel and Iraq.

    5. Kissinger has a few other blemishes on his name, Chile comes to mind. We abandoned the Kurds, like anyone else that no longer is useful to our national interests. I was thinking of a poster using pictures of children's clothing as proof of why Saddam had to go when we have watched repeated attacks on the Kurds with no real effort to enact ANY sanctions to include Kirkpatrick watering down UN sanctions.

    6. So you want Iraq partitioned, why stop at cleaving off the Kurds? Why not divide Sunni from Shai? Either Iraq is a nation, like we are with all our differences or not. Perhaps the Balkanization of the Middle East is the future, most of the nations are artificial constructs left over from the age of imperialism.

    7. There was a great deal of horse trading before, during, and after the elections. The sham part is once the votes were cast the power brokers decided the results. Chicago style.

    8. so to rephrase all of that, if we had not helped Saddam maintain his position during the Iran-Iraq war, he wouldn't have been as powerful as he was just before Kuwait, wouldn't have murdered thousands of people, and more than likely would not be in power today. Either way Iran ends up where it is a very strong nation and Shia counterpoint to Sunni Saudi.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Stalinist domination of Western Europe, and the deaths of tens of millions in Asia under the boot of Imperial Japanese rule isn't concerning to you?
    Is it concerning to me? Yes. Does that mean we should of got directly involved if we were not attacked and not declared war upon? No. I think we should of kept up aid to the allied forces if we were not attacked but if we were not directly attacked or declared war upon i still think we shouldn't get involved.


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