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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    How about an iota of honesty, Navy....what you are expressing so loudly is only your opinion.
    The world is ever so slowing, despite its kicking screaming, being dragged into more peaceful times..
    It has nothing to do with my opinon.........The facts speak for themselves....Obama is the biggest spender in the history of this country. He has never seen a dollar (as long as its the taxpayer's and not his) that he won't spend.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    It has nothing to do with my opinon.........The facts speak for themselves....Obama is the biggest spender in the history of this country. He has never seen a dollar (as long as its the taxpayer's and not his) that he won't spend.
    The budget actually hasn't increased since he took office.
    And it is the Congress, not the president, who spends.

    Other than that, you're correct.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    No doubt they will do something. No matter what it is, someone won't like it.
    True that.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The budget actually hasn't increased since he took office.
    And it is the Congress, not the president, who spends.

    Other than that, you're correct.
    Is that why more national debt has been added under BHO than any other POTUS? Is that why it's nearly certain that on the day he leaves office, 20 January 2017, BHO will have added more to the national debt than all other Presidents combined?
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    There is no evidence that Iraqi oil was a war aim or strategic objective in the second Iraq war. You've raised your "evidence" before. It has nothing to do with the war.
    Do you know they were going to call the invasion Operation Iraq Liberation?

    I don't know if oil had any influence on their decision to invade Iraq, but I am quite sure it was an idiotic thing to do. Even if all of the Intelligence were true, that wouldn't be enough reason to invade.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    It has nothing to do with my opinon.........The facts speak for themselves....Obama is the biggest spender in the history of this country. He has never seen a dollar (as long as its the taxpayer's and not his) that he won't spend.
    Somehow you seem to think the only thing that causes debt is spending, but the loss of revenue also creates debt. And good portion of that loss is due to job loss that began 2008.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Do you know they were going to call the invasion Operation Iraq Liberation?

    I don't know if oil had any influence on their decision to invade Iraq, but I am quite sure it was an idiotic thing to do. Even if all of the Intelligence were true, that wouldn't be enough reason to invade.
    Most of the intelligence was wrong. If oil were an objective, then the easy, cheap way to get it was to make a deal with Saddam, not invade Iraq. The invasion was driven by a vision of a Middle East Pax Americana enabled by US power based in Iraq. That was to create the conditions for comprehensive Israeli-Palestinian peace. The GWB crowd wanted to do big things.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Is that why more national debt has been added under BHO than any other POTUS? Is that why it's nearly certain that on the day he leaves office, 20 January 2017, BHO will have added more to the national debt than all other Presidents combined?
    No, that's not why at all.

    What I cited were simply facts. It is the congress that controls the purse strings. The federal budget hasn't gone up since Obama took office. You can make what you will of those facts.

    Federal spending has actually dropped since 2009, and so has the deficit.

    All of which doesn't mean that spending is under control, or that the deficit is not a problem, or anything of the kind. The federal government has been growing out of control for some time now.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    No, that's not why at all.

    What I cited were simply facts. It is the congress that controls the purse strings. The federal budget hasn't gone up since Obama took office. You can make what you will of those facts.

    Federal spending has actually dropped since 2009, and so has the deficit.

    All of which doesn't mean that spending is under control, or that the deficit is not a problem, or anything of the kind. The federal government has been growing out of control for some time now.
    BHO's commitment to entitlement spending is the driver of debt according to your own link.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    BHO's commitment to entitlement spending is the driver of debt according to your own link.
    His commitment to entitlements?
    or the entitlements themselves Let's see...

    Federal entitlements are driving this spending growth, having increased from less than half of total federal outlays just 20 years ago to nearly 62 percent in 2012. Three major programs—Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security—dominate in size and growth, soaking up about 44 percent of the budget.
    Two of those are, indeed, entitlements, as the baby boomers who have paid into them for years are now starting to retire, and are entitled to the money they've put in. Medicaid is another problem, as it is a part of the trillion dollar means tested welfare that Congress passed.

    Still, doesn't mention Obama, and the three programs pre date his presidency by quite a few years.

    All three programs are growing faster than inflation, and—when joined with $1.7 trillion in new Obamacare spending—will drain about 18.5 percent of the nation’s total economic output by mid-century. Because that is about the historical annual average of total federal tax revenue, it means all other government programs—national defense, veterans health care, transportation, federal law enforcement, and others—would effectively have to be financed on borrowed money.
    Now, finally, we read about a program actually supported and passed by the Obama Administration.

    and if we look at what is actually driving the increased spending lumped together under "entitlements", we see that it is really health care spending. Of the four, Medicare, Social Security, Medicaid, and "Obamacare", only the first two are actually entitlements. Three of the four are health care spending.

    Health care spending is taking a huge toll on the private sector as well.

    In fact, health care spending over all is more than all of federal spending on everything else, quite a lot more in fact.

    Which means that we seriously need real medical care reform, one that will cut costs.
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