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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Alright...but why the 5 plus trillion added to the debt when we clearly know that by Oct 2008 the economy basically crashed?
    that's a good question. maybe Obama can give us an answer other than "it's bush's fault"
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    that's a good question. maybe Obama can give us an answer other than "it's bush's fault"
    Well, actually...there are people I blame. Bill Clinton, Phil Graham, Allan Greenspan...Tim Geithner, Ben Bernanke, Larry Summers...just to name a few.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    (Reuters) - "Al Qaeda's wing, Islamic State of Iraq, has formally declared its links with the militant al-Nusra Front, at the forefront of Syria's rebellion, saying the two would now operate under one name, according to a U.S.-based monitoring group.

    Al Qaeda in Iraq, or Islamic State of Iraq as the group is also known, is one of several Sunni Islamist insurgent groups still active since the withdrawal of the last American troops more than a year ago.

    The group, which has claimed a string of attacks since the start of the year, said it and Syria's al-Nusra Front would now jointly go under the name Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant.

    Here is a look at the Iraqi group:

    * The group was founded in October 2004 when Jordanian militant Abu Musab al-Zarqawi pledged allegiance to Osama bin Laden. An Egyptian, Abu Ayyub al-Masri, is said to have become the leader of al Qaeda in Iraq after Zarqawi was killed in 2006.

    * In October 2006, the al Qaeda-led Mujahideen Shura Council said it had set up Islamic State of Iraq (ISI), an umbrella group of Sunni militant affiliates and tribal leaders led by Abu Omar al-Baghdadi. In April 2007 it named a 10-man "cabinet", including Masri as its war minister.

    * High-profile attacks in 2009 and 2010 kept the group in the headlines after U.S. troops pulled out of Iraqi cities. Its top two leaders, Masri and Abu Omar al-Baghdadi, were killed in April 2010, but the attacks continued. In May 2010, Al-Nasir Lidin Allah Abu-Suleyman was named replacement leader.

    * Once weakened by years of fighting U.S. and Iraqi forces, security experts say Iraq's al Qaeda wing has regained strength from the two-year-old uprising against President Bashar al-Assad in neighboring Syria, which is drawing funds and Sunni Islamist fighters to its cause.

    * Al Qaeda in Iraq is hostile to Shi'ites in general, especially the Shi'ite-led government of Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki and Assad's minority Alawite sect. The group sees Shi'ite Islam as a heretical oppressor of Sunnis in the region."

    Factbox: A look at Al Qaeda in Iraq | Reuters
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    He came into office it was 10 trillion......after his first term it was 16 trillion...its not almost 17 trillion..........You can use smoke and mirrors all you want but the figures don't lie and Obama has spent more in 4 years then all the presidents before him combined.

    That's not the deficit, that's the debt. As long as there is any deficit, the debt will continue to increase.

    Now, the deficit is still way too much, but it is, at least finally and at long last going in the right direction.

    Now, there is some truth to the idea that "leftists" (read - Democrats) aren't quite as big on military expenditures as that other party whose name starts with R, but they haven't cut back the military, don't advocate cutting the military, haven't cut the military.

    But, someone should.

    We need to cut spending. Nothing should be off the table, not the military, not means tested welfare, not subsidies, not giveaways to foreign nations, nothing.

    Our government is too big, and too expensive, and neither party is really advocating any meaningful cuts.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    That's not the deficit, that's the debt. As long as there is any deficit, the debt will continue to increase.

    Now, the deficit is still way too much, but it is, at least finally and at long last going in the right direction.

    Now, there is some truth to the idea that "leftists" (read - Democrats) aren't quite as big on military expenditures as that other party whose name starts with R, but they haven't cut back the military, don't advocate cutting the military, haven't cut the military.

    But, someone should.

    We need to cut spending. Nothing should be off the table, not the military, not means tested welfare, not subsidies, not giveaways to foreign nations, nothing.

    Our government is too big, and too expensive, and neither party is really advocating any meaningful cuts.


    "WASHINGTON — President Obama’s effort to control federal spending would require the largest cuts from the government’s biggest programs — health care and the military — while preserving or increasing spending on favored initiatives like early education, manufacturing and research."

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/11/us...tary.html?_r=0
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    That's not the deficit, that's the debt. As long as there is any deficit, the debt will continue to increase.

    Now, the deficit is still way too much, but it is, at least finally and at long last going in the right direction.

    Now, there is some truth to the idea that "leftists" (read - Democrats) aren't quite as big on military expenditures as that other party whose name starts with R, but they haven't cut back the military, don't advocate cutting the military, haven't cut the military.

    But, someone should.

    We need to cut spending. Nothing should be off the table, not the military, not means tested welfare, not subsidies, not giveaways to foreign nations, nothing.

    Our government is too big, and too expensive, and neither party is really advocating any meaningful cuts.


    I know the difference between the debt and the deficit and Obama has increased the debit almost 7 trilion dollars and as far as the military goes he originally cut it 500 billion and wants to cut another 500 billion......Even his own SECDEF was protesting that to the congress.......Those are the facts......He is trying to turn our military into a 3rd rate organization.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I know the difference between the debt and the deficit and Obama has increased the debit almost 7 trilion dollars and as far as the military goes he originally cut it 500 billion and wants to cut another 500 billion......Even his own SECDEF was protesting that to the congress.......Those are the facts......He is trying to turn our military into a 3rd rate organization.
    The military budget never has been a trillion dollars. Cut it 500 billion, then another 500, and it would be paying us.

    This is more like reality. The military budget went up for the wars, then back down when they wound down, just as expected:

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    "WASHINGTON — President Obama’s effort to control federal spending would require the largest cuts from the government’s biggest programs — health care and the military — while preserving or increasing spending on favored initiatives like early education, manufacturing and research."

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/11/us...tary.html?_r=0
    That's where cuts have to be, but adding yet another expenditure for education, which is a function of the states after all, is not the way to go.

    and manufacturing? Since when has manufacturing been a function of the federal government?
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    That's where cuts have to be, but adding yet another expenditure for education, which is a function of the states after all, is not the way to go.

    and manufacturing? Since when has manufacturing been a function of the federal government?
    I don't disagree with, but states are struggling with education, and manufacturing is not what it once was. Demands that the government create jobs will lead to the government acting, and there is little they can actually (realistically) do that wont cost money

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I don't disagree with, but states are struggling with education, and manufacturing is not what it once was. Demands that the government create jobs will lead to the government acting, and there is little they can actually (realistically) do that wont cost money
    Exactly, and if you're trying to balance a budget, adding expenses is not the way to do it.

    The government getting involved in manufacturing brings to mind a word, one that is not too popular in the USA, one that starts with an S.... let's see.... what was that word again? has something to do with government ownership of the means of production.

    Hm.. Can't think of it right off hand. Can you?
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