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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I see. So Iraqis acting rationally in pursuit of their economic interests is proof what exactly? Do you receive secret messages via the fillings in your teeth?
    The Iraqis did not overthrow their government and install another corrupt government, we did under military occupation.

    "It has been 10 years since Operation Iraqi Freedom's bombs first landed in Baghdad. And while most of the U.S.-led coalition forces have long since gone, Western oil companies are only getting started.

    Before the 2003 invasion, Iraq's domestic oil industry was fully nationalized and closed to Western oil companies. A decade of war later, it is largely privatized and utterly dominated by foreign firms.

    From ExxonMobil and Chevron to BP and Shell, the West's largest oil companies have set up shop in Iraq. So have a slew of American oil service companies, including Halliburton, the Texas-based firm Dick Cheney ran before becoming George W. Bush's running mate in 2000.

    The war is the one and only reason for this long sought and newly acquired access."

    "Of course it's about oil; we can't really deny that," said Gen. John Abizaid, former head of U.S. Central Command and Military Operations in Iraq, in 2007. Former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan agreed, writing in his memoir, "I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil." Then-Sen. and now Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said the same in 2007: "People say we're not fighting for oil. Of course we are."

    "For the first time in about 30 years, Western oil companies are exploring for and producing oil in Iraq from some of the world's largest oil fields and reaping enormous profit. And while the U.S. has also maintained a fairly consistent level of Iraq oil imports since the invasion, the benefits are not finding their way through Iraq's economy or society.

    These outcomes were by design, the result of a decade of U.S. government and oil company pressure. In 1998, Kenneth Derr, then CEO of Chevron, said, "Iraq possesses huge reserves of oil and gas-reserves I'd love Chevron to have access to." Today it does."



    Why the war in Iraq was fought for Big Oil - CNN.com
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    And still not a scintilla of evidence that oil was a war aim.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    And still not a scintilla of evidence that oil was a war aim.
    Thanks for you personal opinion Jack!
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Thanks for you personal opinion Jack!
    You're welcome again. When you think you have some actual evidence please let me know.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    You're welcome again. When you think you have some actual evidence please let me know.
    There is already enough evidence to convince the majority of people, in this country, the UK, and in Iraq. Your personal opinion is irrelevant.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    There is already enough evidence to convince the majority of people, in this country, the UK, and in Iraq. Your personal opinion is irrelevant.
    Can you give us a figure of how much oil is stolen from Iraq and put directly into the American market?
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Can you give us a figure of how much oil is stolen from Iraq and put directly into the American market?
    You need to go back and read through the thread as to what I've been saying and have referenced. Because its nothing close to your comment.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You need to go back and read through the thread as to what I've been saying and have referenced. Because its nothing close to your comment.
    I have.. you seem to believe the war was all about oil. Well, where is the oil then? Last I checked, the oil prices have at least doubled since the war started.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    I have.. you seem to believe the war was all about oil. Well, where is the oil then? Last I checked, the oil prices have at least doubled since the war started.
    Not sure that follows. While I don't think he war was completely about oil, just because our prices aren't lower doesn't mean it wasn't.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    They said it would a cakewalk in Iraq too, 6 weeks tops!
    We did not make a parking lot out of Iraq, we will NK.

    Obama won't do that in Afghanistan but he will do it to Asians.
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