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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Thanks for your opinion Jack! There is written documentation that says otherwise: Strategic Challenges for the 21st Century- March 2001. I referenced it above.
    Yes, I know. I read it when it was first published and I noted you posted it previously. Its meaning in the context of Iraq war aims is exactly zero.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Yes, I know. I read it when it was first published and I noted you posted it previously. Its meaning in the context of Iraq war aims is exactly zero.

    Thanks for your opinion Jack!
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Yes, but the attempt nation building, not so much...
    That is yet to be seen sir. Take a look at Japan and S.Korea. Both were large efforts on the part of the US and both are thriving as a result of our rebuilding efforts. I think Iraq has a very good chance of eventually going that direction if we stick by their sides as we have S.Korea and Japan.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Thanks for your opinion Jack!
    You're welcome. Since the U.S. held absolute power over Iraq for years and took no oil, it's an opinion borne out by events.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    You're welcome. Since the U.S. held absolute power over Iraq for years and took no oil, it's an opinion borne out by events.
    You did not read Cheney's task force report if you think our purpose was to steal their oil.

    US and British oil are back in Iraq for the first time since they were kicked out of Iraq in 1973 and we made that happen through our invasion, occupation and regime change, whether you choose to deny it, like you choose to deny climate science, or not.

    Oil output from Iraq is increasing and Saddam is not holding back supply to drive up world oil prices. Those were stated goals to achieve in Cheney's report.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?


    Al-Qaida in Iraq admits links to Syrian jihadist fighters


    "Al-Qaida in Iraq has confirmed its links to a jihadist group fighting inSyria, Jabhat al-Nusra, saying both are now fighting under the same banner.Diplomats and intelligence officials view the move as an attempt exploit the battlefield gains of al-Nusra, which has risen in prominence among Syrian militants over the past seven months.
    The move to rename both groups was reported on websites used in the past by al-Qaida-aligned militants to post messages. There was no immediate response from al-Nusra, which was last year also prescribed as a terror group by the US, Britain and some European states. The post said the new group would be called the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant. It is unclear if the rebranding will have any practical implications.
    The growing role of al-Nusra among the anti-Assad rebels has alarmed western officials and the Arab League and further polarised views on how to deal with the humanitarian catastrophe.
    A deteriorating security situation in Iraq is also causing widespread concern, with Sunni groups who were disaffected by the toppling of Saddam Hussein, which led to a Shia-led power-base being formed there, increasingly emboldened by opposition advances in Syria.
    An intensified campaign of bombings and assassinations, primarily targeting government, or Shia interests, in and around Baghdad, is believed to be being driven by al-Qaida in Iraq, which has also sent members to fight in Syria."

    Al-Qaida in Iraq admits links to Syrian jihadist fighters | World news | guardian.co.uk
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You did not read Cheney's task force report if you think our purpose was to steal their oil.

    US and British oil are back in Iraq for the first time since they were kicked out of Iraq in 1973 and we made that happen through our invasion, occupation and regime change, whether you choose to deny it, like you choose to deny climate science, or not.

    Oil output from Iraq is increasing and Saddam is not holding back supply to drive up world oil prices. Those were stated goals to achieve in Cheney's report.
    A free market is a good thing, but was not a motive for the invasion. The US is not a significant player in Iraqi oil today.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    A free market is a good thing, but was not a motive for the invasion. The US is not a significant player in Iraqi oil today.

    Is oil production increasing in Iraq? Yes. Is Iraq withholding oil to drive up world prices? No.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Is oil production increasing in Iraq? Yes. Is Iraq withholding oil to drive up world prices? No.

    Mission Accomplished!
    I see. So Iraqis acting rationally in pursuit of their economic interests is proof what exactly? Do you receive secret messages via the fillings in your teeth?
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    There is no man better to debate the Iraq war then this man.. Christopher Hitchens. Who lays the Hitch Slap down on the anti-Iraq war crowd big time!!!



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