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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    With reference to the first war, we were forthright about the importance of oil. With reference to the second, we held absolute power for years in Iraq and conferred no contracts on U.S. companies.
    We could have invaded so an undesirable country couldn't get it. I actually think there were several reasons we invaded and oil was one of them.

    • Oil
    • Infect the ME with a democracy.
    • Saddam tried to kill Bush's dad
    • Rid Israel of an enemy
    • Etc.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    We could have invaded so an undesirable country couldn't get it. I actually think there were several reasons we invaded and oil was one of them.

    • Oil
    • Infect the ME with a democracy.
    • Saddam tried to kill Bush's dad
    • Rid Israel of an enemy
    • Etc.
    I'm not going to go around and around about this again. There is no evidence, either before the invasion or after, that oil was a war aim. That idea lives exclusively in the realm of lefty mythology.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I'm not going to go around and around about this again. There is no evidence, either before the invasion or after, that oil was a war aim. That idea lives exclusively in the realm of lefty mythology.
    You mean lefties like "The American Conservative?"

    Oil for War | The American Conservative

    Controlling Iraq’s oil has historically been a vital factor in America’s involvement in Iraq and was always a crucial element of the Bush administration’s plans for the post-Saddam era.
    Nevertheless, oil was the foremost strategic focus for the U.S. military in Iraq. The first objectives of the invading forces included the capture of key Iraqi oil terminals and oilfields. On March 20, 2003, Navy SEALs engaged in the first combat of the war when they launched a surprise invasion of the Mina al-Bakr and Khor al-Amaya oil loading terminals in the Persian Gulf. A few hours later, Marine Lt. Therral Childers became the first U.S. soldier to die in combat in the invasion
    Oil was also the first objective when U.S. forces reached Baghdad on April 8. Although the National Library of Iraq, the National Archives, and the National Museum of Antiquities were all looted and in some cases burned, the oil ministry building was barely damaged. That’s because a detachment of American soldiers and a half-dozen assault vehicles were assigned to guard the ministry and its records.

    Yep. "Lefty mythology..."


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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Yup. Lefty mythology, and if you took the time to read what you post you might have seen that. The passages you quoted refer to securing the oil industry as a tactical objective, not as a war aim or strategic goal. Of course the facilities were important: they were vital to rebuilding post-Saddam Iraq. Think first. Then post.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Yup. Lefty mythology, and if you took the time to read what you post you might have seen that. The passages you quoted refer to securing the oil industry as a tactical objective, not as a war aim or strategic goal. Of course the facilities were important: they were vital to rebuilding post-Saddam Iraq. Think first. Then post.
    You're telling me to think, and you think oil has nothing to do with our foreign policy in that region?

    I'm not talking the talking points of "it was all about helping Bush's oil buddies" or any of that crap. I do, however, think that oil from that area represents a clear national security interest. To say that it had nothing to do with the war is childish. Of course it had something to do with it.


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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    You're telling me to think, and you think oil has nothing to do with our foreign policy in that region?

    I'm not talking the talking points of "it was all about helping Bush's oil buddies" or any of that crap. I do, however, think that oil from that area represents a clear national security interest. To say that it had nothing to do with the war is childish. Of course it had something to do with it.
    I have already posted that oil (in Kuwait and Saudi Arabia) had everything to do with the first Iraq war. The second Iraq war was entirely different; oil did not figure in planning, strategy, execution or exploitation, except as a resource base to rebuild Iraq. Proof? We held absolute power in Iraq for years and neither took nor asserted control over any oil.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I have already posted that oil (in Kuwait and Saudi Arabia) had everything to do with the first Iraq war. The second Iraq war was entirely different; oil did not figure in planning, strategy, execution or exploitation, except as a resource base to rebuild Iraq. Proof? We held absolute power in Iraq for years and neither took nor asserted control over any oil.
    I see you are denying the recorded evidence of our oil interest in Iraq just as you deny AGW, and with the same lack of proof in each case.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    The Chinese aren't about to invade Mexico. What I'm saying is that our government is likely to see something like that as a threat. As the Chinese would see American troops in NK.
    I see.

    and you're right: The Chinese would be likely to see American troops in NK as a threat.
    But we don't want NK any more than the Chines want Mexico.
    Which is why an invasion of NK would be a terrible idea. Taking out their missile launch facilities, however might not be such a bad idea. We wouldn't need boots on the ground, or an elaborate and long term "nation building" project.

    Please, no more nation building projects.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I see you are denying the recorded evidence of our oil interest in Iraq just as you deny AGW, and with the same lack of proof in each case.
    There is no evidence that Iraqi oil was a war aim or strategic objective in the second Iraq war. You've raised your "evidence" before. It has nothing to do with the war.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    There is no evidence that Iraqi oil was a war aim or strategic objective in the second Iraq war. You've raised your "evidence" before. It has nothing to do with the war.
    Thanks for your opinion Jack! There is written documentation that says otherwise: Strategic Challenges for the 21st Century- March 2001. I referenced it above.
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