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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    If they nuke SK or Japan, that is our problem. We defend them, especially Japan after WWII when we demanded that they demilitarized. (Could you imagine it happening in Japan? They'd have to be asking why nobody but them can get nuked!)
    Oh, I suppose that was for no good reason either.


    I'm sure they are getting sick of them, but there's still a matter of saving face geopolitically. North Korea is the only thing keeping our troops off of their border, which is also something they don't want. Russia also. Unless we had assurances from the Chinese and the Russians that they weren't going to jump into the fray, I'd be very wary of doing anything preemptive.
    I don't think anything is going to come of this anyway, just more hot air.

    Picture if the Chinese invaded Mexico. No matter our feelings about the Mexican government, having Chinese troops across the street from San Diego (which Tijuana is) would be very bad for us.
    I don't think we would go to war about it.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Picture if the Chinese invaded Mexico. No matter our feelings about the Mexican government, having Chinese troops across the street from San Diego (which Tijuana is) would be very bad for us.
    I really don't think the Chinese want Mexico.

    and anyway, would Chinese troops across the street from San Diego be any worse than violent drug cartels in the same place? It could be an improvement overall. Anyway, I'll bet the Chinese could put a stop to the drug trade, and probably illegal crossings as well.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Lil' Kim must be Saddamized as well.
    Great play on words! Yes, he must be!

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Regime change is not cheap for those that payed attention to the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

    Sorry completely different scenario.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Regime change is not cheap for those that payed attention to the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
    Then don't do it like the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq!

    That would seem straightforward enough.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Then don't do it like the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq!

    That would seem straightforward enough.

    So you think Kim is the one in NK that calls the shots, and not the military?
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Sorry completely different scenario.
    They said it would a cakewalk in Iraq too, 6 weeks tops!
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It's up to the Middle East? You mean the people of the Middle East? How can you tell what they want?

    In fact a great many people cared about Saddam Hussein. You should know that.

    But yes, destabilization is risky as we have seen in Libya, Egypt and Syria. It's the domino theory at work it seems.
    I don't need to tell what they want. We don't own any of it. Lithe people in those countries own it. It will flourish or fall based on their action. It's not our place to to try and control it.

    And in the context of which I said it, no, no one did. In your context, not to the extent to warrant invasion.

    Yes, we agree destabilization is risky. I knew it before hand. So did many others, many, many others. So, we were reckless. Nw we have to hope wiser heads win the day over there.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Btw, just watched an Iraqi who was there when they tore down Saddam's stature. He said Saddam held them back a hundred years, but h US pushed back three hundred. He put the stature back up if he could.

    It was on local kmit news. I'll try later to get a link if someone wants.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Wilson did not hijack the debate about the forgeries.

    He couldn't have. By the time he mentioned them, they were already public knowledge.
    Wilson's grandstanding irreparably distorted and damaged the discussion.

    The Butler Committee, appointed by then Prime Minister Tony Blair, concluded that the report Saddam's government was seeking uranium in Africa appeared "well-founded":

    a. It is accepted by all parties that Iraqi officials visited Niger in 1999.
    b. The British government had intelligence from several different sources indicating that this visit was for the purpose of acquiring uranium. Since uranium constitutes almost three-quarters of Niger's exports, the intelligence was credible.
    c. The evidence was not conclusive that Iraq actually purchased, as opposed to having sought, uranium, and the British government did not claim this.
    d. The forged documents were not available to the British Government at the time its assessment was made, and so the fact of the forgery does not undermine it.[31]

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