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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Damn, if we had just stayed out of WWI and II
    I think we should of stayed out of WW1. But not WW2. We were attacked directly form one nation, and another national declared war on us.


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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    I think we should of stayed out of WW1. But not WW2. We were attacked directly form one nation, and another national declared war on us.
    Regardless of whether we were attacked don't you think it was worthy and important for the United States to intervene in World War II?

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Regardless of whether we were attacked don't you think it was worthy and important for the United States to intervene in World War II?
    Well because we were attacked by another nation yes i believe we should of intervened. But if we were not attacked and not declared war upon then i don think we should of directly intervened.


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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Well because we were attacked by another nation yes i believe we should of intervened. But if we were not attacked and not declared war upon then i don think we should of directly intervened.
    You don't think that would have resulted in a moral catastrophe? Let alone a strategic one?

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    You don't think that would have resulted in a moral catastrophe? Let alone a strategic one?
    If we werent attacked and werent declared war on and we didnt intervene? No. Many historians agree that the USSR could of taken back Europe and won WW2 with Britain, and the Partisans.


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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    I think we should of stayed out of WW1. But not WW2. We were attacked directly form one nation, and another national declared war on us.
    Unfortunately we may not have been able to stay out of world war 1. Germany was waging unrestricted submarine warfare and even American ships were fair game. But it was Germany who forced us into conflict, they were trying to negotiate with Mexico in order for it to declare war on the United States, which would have kept us from interfering in Europe. Now of course the fact that it was the British who revealed the plot may have proved suspicious, but could not allow Germany to get away with such deception.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That can be said of many, many gov't programs. Once started a gov't program simply grows and its mission morphs into something that the lobbyists and campaign contributors want it to be. We now have over 70 "low income assistance" programs and over 40 "job training" programs.
    Interesting comparison, except thousands of soldiers don't die assisting our nation's poor. Trillions are not poured out on barren lands far from home not helping our citizens past a few defense contractor's bottomline... oh speaking of those guys, so too has simple 'national defense' turned into a huge mess of lobbyists, contractors, and thousands of handouts.

    I refrained from posting in this thread mainly because they are rather liberal artsy. Is the 'world' better off without one less brutal dictator? Is the world better when a new butterfly spreads it's wings?

    The World is neither better or worse off. Iran has new found power and position as two sunni rivals have been knocked down a rung or two, the huge cost and distraction caused by Afghanistan and Iraq gave Iran plenty of room to start a regionally destabilizing nuclear program- we swapped a rather caged tiger for an on the loose one... greeeeeat.

    Compared to many other past ruthless dictators and mass killers of their own people Saddam is a light wieght. We seem to forget how much assistance we gave him and the blind eye we turned when he slaughtered so many Kurds before we hated him. Doesn't anyone remember Special Envoy for President Reagan, Ronald Rumsfeld classic neo-con, shaking Saddam's hand in 1983? That year is imporatant because according to kurds and iranians thats the year Iraq started using chemical weapons. Two years later Ambassador to the UN Kirkpatrick worked to 'downplay' the UN sanctions against Iraq over the use of 'annihilation insecticides'.

    So this newly found disgust and outrage over Saddam doing Saddam seems a bit fake, or at the VERY least ignorant of history.

    Those who substituted Iraq for the World in the original question...

    Given the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi have died in the war and upheaval since we decided we knew what was best for Iraq, the infiltration of iranian group in the majority Shia population, the tenuous cobbled together government that looks more like the nation of Lebanon rather than Lebanon, Pa....

    Ignore the Kurds are basically outside national controls and policies, the Sunni minority is being bribed to play ball and the ****te majority can't govern any better than we did...

    I'd say the sham elections that were held are more like a communist staged event than even Chicago elections...

    More negotiating went on behind closed doors to determine the outcome of the 'free and open' elections than any brokered convention we ever had in this country.

    Iraq better off???? Not enough time has passed to be able to say it is.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Damn, if we had just stayed out of WWI and II
    You are equating WWI and WWII with Bush's War in Iraq???










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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    You are equating WWI and WWII with Bush's War in Iraq???
    As far as Germany goes the reasons were similar

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I deny it was actively going on to any large degree. And when he was really doing it, we stood by and watched. So what we really did was add injury to injury, costing more lives than would have been lost otherwise. Which is why human rights groups objected to our invasion.

    So, no, it is not remotely the same.
    If these groups cared about human rights at all they would be all over Obama over his policies, you will have to do better.

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