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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Of course they weren't prior to us invading.
    How sure are you of that?

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    How sure are you of that?
    Not to the degree they were afterwards, yes. They were largely held in check.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You can't google, huh?
    Clearly, you've got nothing...just as I expected.

    So not only can you provide ZERO proof of a matter-of-fact statement you made.

    But you have not even got the maturity just to admit you don't - as I would (hopefully) have done right away were I in your shoes.

    Both noted.

    I am done with you on this.


    Have a nice day.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Clearly, you've got nothing...just as I expected.

    So not only can you provide ZERO proof of a matter-of-fact statement you made.

    But you have not even got the maturity just to admit you don't - as I would (hopefully) have done right away were I in your shoes.

    Both noted.

    I am done with you on this.


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    Iraq War insurgent attacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Insurgent attacks of the. Iraq War. indicates attacks resulting in over 100 deaths .... The motives behind these kidnappings include influencing foreign governments with troops in Iraq and foreign companies with workers .... Terrorism in Asia ...
    Bombings - Massacres - Kidnappings and hostages - Assassinations

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Clearly, you've got nothing...just as I expected.

    So not only can you provide ZERO proof of a matter-of-fact statement you made.

    But you have not even got the maturity just to admit you don't - as I would (hopefully) have done right away were I in your shoes.

    Both noted.

    I am done with you on this.


    Have a nice day.
    Why do you keep on telling me to have a nice day?

    In fact I'm having a wonderful day already!

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not to the degree they were afterwards, yes. They were largely held in check.
    Maybe 'held in check' isn't quite the right way to put it but close enough. And yes, once he was removed the Islamists moved in.

    Do you think they'll take over the Middle East as some predict?

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Maybe 'held in check' isn't quite the right way to put it but close enough. And yes, once he was removed the Islamists moved in.

    Do you think they'll take over the Middle East as some predict?
    I think that s up the ME. But our stupidity has helped them.

    Look, no one cared about Saddam. But, we played into our enemies hands by being the imperialist aggressors they said we were. It's risky to destabilize, as it opens doors for very bad people. We should have acted smarter.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Is this what you're looking for?

    Iraq War insurgent attacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War_insurgent_attacks
    Insurgent attacks of the. Iraq War. ‡ indicates attacks resulting in over 100 deaths .... The motives behind these kidnappings include influencing foreign governments with troops in Iraq and foreign companies with workers .... Terrorism in Asia ...
    Bombings - Massacres - Kidnappings and hostages - Assassinations

    Interesting, but no (in so far as proving Grant's point).

    These do not prove that it was ENTIRELY and EXCLUSIVELY the work of 'Islamists' who did it for the sole reason of furthering Islamic fundamentalism....as Grant inferred.

    They could have been for fundamentalist reason. Or sectarian revenge killings (which clearly was a large part of the deaths in Iraq). Or simply a whacko blowing up people he hated.

    There is no single reason for the murders/bombings.

    If he had said, 'Islamist-fueled killings played a large part in the total number of deaths' I could have maybe lived with that.

    But inferring they were the sole and/or overwhelmingly major reason?

    Not a chance.
    Last edited by DA60; 04-09-13 at 12:35 AM.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I think that s up the ME. But our stupidity has helped them.

    Look, no one cared about Saddam. But, we played into our enemies hands by being the imperialist aggressors they said we were. It's risky to destabilize, as it opens doors for very bad people. We should have acted smarter.
    Sums it up well, imo.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    And that had nothing to do with the forged documents. Please note there is no reference to a contract, the center piece of the forgeries. It was the great disservice of Wilson, acting out of ignorance, to conflate separate reporting streams in the public debate. This discussion demonstrates the continuing difficulty created when Wilson hijacked the debate on a wrong turn.

    Out to dinner.
    Wilson did not hijack the debate about the forgeries.

    He couldn't have. By the time he mentioned them, they were already public knowledge.

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