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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    The issue being debated is whether or not those 16 words should have been in the SofU address.

    Rice, Hadley, Powell, Fleischer, and Tenet all say "no."

    I have yet to see any evidence that they were all wrong.
    Rice, Hadley, Powell and Fleischer were apparently unaware of reporting nuances. Tenet was dissatisfied by the coordination/clearance process.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    And again, the reporting of which Wilson was aware was never necessary to make the Niger connection. That nuance was apparently lost on both Rice and Powell. That, however, is the reason Powell never referenced the forged documents in his UN address, a point which you have now apparently conceded. You notice how the longer this goes on, the more ground you have to give up? Wonder why?
    Bull****. You keep forgetting that Wilson went to Niger eleven months prior to Bush's SOTU speech. He was sent there by the CIA because V.P. Cheney kept bugging them about a supposed contract that had been made.
    Let the man tell you himself why he was sent :


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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    To say the words should not have been in the SOTU is not the same as saying they were unfounded. As I posted earlier, if you were to ask Tenet whether he was/is an intelligence professional, his answer would be no. Regardless of CNN's claim, Powell made no reference to the forged documents in his address to the UN. You're long on propaganda and short on facts.
    I can't explain CNN's reference other than to say it appears to be in error as Powell made no reference in that speech. He did, however, use a reference to them in December, 2002, when he provided them a fact sheet stating, "The Declaration ignores efforts to procure uranium from Niger."

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Bull****. You keep forgetting that Wilson went to Niger eleven months prior to Bush's SOTU speech. He was sent there by the CIA because V.P. Cheney kept bugging them about a supposed contract that had been made.
    Let the man tell you himself why he was sent :

    Wilson's understanding of why he was sent is among the most irrelevant aspects of this discussion. The important thing is what he didn't know.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    I can't explain CNN's reference other than to say it appears to be in error as Powell made no reference in that speech. He did, however, use a reference to them in December, 2002, when he provided them a fact sheet stating, "The Declaration ignores efforts to procure uranium from Niger."
    And that had nothing to do with the forged documents. Please note there is no reference to a contract, the center piece of the forgeries. It was the great disservice of Wilson, acting out of ignorance, to conflate separate reporting streams in the public debate. This discussion demonstrates the continuing difficulty created when Wilson hijacked the debate on a wrong turn.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    4 hours ago -

    Suicide Bomber Kills 20 at Political Rally in Iraq

    "A suicide bomber blew himself up Saturday at a lunch hosted by a Sunni candidate in Iraq's upcoming regional elections, killing 20 people, officials said.

    The blast ripped through a hospitality tent pitched next to the house of Muthana al-Jourani, who is running for the provincial council and held the lunch rally for supporters, councilman Sadiq al-Huseini said.

    The attack took place in Baqouba, a mixed Sunni-Shiite city some 60 kilometers (35 miles) northeast of Baghdad. Insurgent attacks and sectarian bloodletting have been rampant there in the decade since the 2003 U.S.-led invasion. Violence is expected to surge in the run up to Iraq's provincial elections on April 20."

    Suicide Bomber Kills 20 at Political Rally in Iraq - ABC News
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    I can't explain CNN's reference other than to say it appears to be in error as Powell made no reference in that speech. He did, however, use a reference to them in December, 2002, when he provided them a fact sheet stating, "The Declaration ignores efforts to procure uranium from Niger."
    He sure did, from your link:

    Nuclear Weapons

    • The Declaration ignores efforts to procure uranium from Niger.
    • Why is the Iraqi regime hiding their uranium procurement?

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    He sure did, from your link:

    Nuclear Weapons

    • The Declaration ignores efforts to procure uranium from Niger.
    • Why is the Iraqi regime hiding their uranium procurement?
    Neither reference draws on the forged documents.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    On the anniversary of the Iraq war the question begs to be asked.
    Yes, it is.

    But is the world a better place with the related fallout? No. If we went after every leader that oppressed his/her people the world would be even more chaotic than it is now.

    They're called unintended consequences. I know conservatives love talking about them when it comes to domestic policies.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    One hour ago -

    Officials: Explosions Kill 4 in Northwest Iraq

    "A trio of bombs exploded on Sunday in the northwest Iraqi city of Mosul, killing four security officers and wounding seven other people, officials said.

    The violence began with a car bomb that killed two soldiers and wounded another five, police officials said. A second bomb, which was placed under a vehicle, exploded, wounding two people. Later, a roadside bomb killed a police officer and a soldier.

    A health official confirmed the casualties in an industrial area of the city, 360 kilometers (225 miles) northwest of Baghdad.

    The police and health officials spoke anonymously because they weren't allowed to talk to media.

    A surge in violence is expected in Iraq in the lead up to provincial elections on April 20."

    Officials: Explosions Kill 4 in Northwest Iraq - ABC News
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