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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Let's see if I can make the link work. I really want you read it.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp.../...xt_020503.html



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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Thanks again. The point, of course, is that there's not a single word in Powell's speech that's related to the forgeries.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Let's see if I can make the link work. I really want you read it.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp.../...xt_020503.html



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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Please identify Powell's reference to the forged documents.
    Fake Iraq documents 'embarrassing' for U.S.

    The documents, given to International Atomic Energy Agency Director General Mohamed ElBaradei, indicated that Iraq might have tried to buy 500 tons of uranium from Niger, but the agency said they were "obvious" fakes.

    U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell referred to the documents directly in his presentation to the U.N. Security Council outlining the Bush administration's case against Iraq.

    "I'm sure the FBI and CIA must be mortified by this because it is extremely embarrassing to them," former CIA official Ray Close said.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    He's a fine man, but a political appointee, and not an intelligence professional. He'd be the first to say he's not.
    Yeah, sure The Director of the CIA is not intelligence professional.

    Regardless of your semantics, as Director of the CIA, he knew the basis of those 16 words and he said they should not have been in the SofU address.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Whatever may or may not have been wrong, not one of these quotes indicates an intent to deceive.
    The issue being debated is whether or not those 16 words should have been in the SofU address.

    Rice, Hadley, Powell, Fleischer, and Tenet all say "no."

    I have yet to see any evidence that they were all wrong.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Fake Iraq documents 'embarrassing' for U.S.

    The documents, given to International Atomic Energy Agency Director General Mohamed ElBaradei, indicated that Iraq might have tried to buy 500 tons of uranium from Niger, but the agency said they were "obvious" fakes.

    U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell referred to the documents directly in his presentation to the U.N. Security Council outlining the Bush administration's case against Iraq.

    "I'm sure the FBI and CIA must be mortified by this because it is extremely embarrassing to them," former CIA official Ray Close said.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Yeah, sure The Director of the CIA is not intelligence professional.

    Regardless of your semantics, as Director of the CIA, he knew the basis of those 16 words and he said they should not have been in the SofU address.
    To say the words should not have been in the SOTU is not the same as saying they were unfounded. As I posted earlier, if you were to ask Tenet whether he was/is an intelligence professional, his answer would be no. Regardless of CNN's claim, Powell made no reference to the forged documents in his address to the UN. You're long on propaganda and short on facts.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post

    To say the words should not have been in the SOTU is not the same as saying they were unfounded. As I posted earlier, if you were to ask Tenet whether he was/is an intelligence professional, his answer would be no. Regardless of CNN's claim, Powell made no reference to the forged documents in his address to the UN. You're long on propaganda and short on facts.
    Yes, they were saying the 16 words were unfounded ...

    "The CIA was pushing the aluminum tube argument heavily and Cheney went with that instead of what our guys wrote," Powell said. And the Niger reference in Bush's State of the Union speech? "That was a big mistake," he said. "It should never have been in the speech. I didn't need Wilson to tell me that there wasn't a Niger connection. He didn't tell us anything we didn't already know. I never believed it."

    "What we've said subsequently is, knowing what we now know, that some of the Niger documents were apparently forged, we wouldn't have put this in the President's speech -- but that's knowing what we know now." ~ Condoleezza Rice

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    The issue being debated is whether or not those 16 words should have been in the SofU address.

    Rice, Hadley, Powell, Fleischer, and Tenet all say "no."

    I have yet to see any evidence that they were all wrong.
    That wasn't the point you were responding to.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Yes, they were saying the 16 words were unfounded ...

    "The CIA was pushing the aluminum tube argument heavily and Cheney went with that instead of what our guys wrote," Powell said. And the Niger reference in Bush's State of the Union speech? "That was a big mistake," he said. "It should never have been in the speech. I didn't need Wilson to tell me that there wasn't a Niger connection. He didn't tell us anything we didn't already know. I never believed it."

    "What we've said subsequently is, knowing what we now know, that some of the Niger documents were apparently forged, we wouldn't have put this in the President's speech -- but that's knowing what we know now." ~ Condoleezza Rice
    And again, the reporting of which Wilson was aware was never necessary to make the Niger connection. That nuance was apparently lost on both Rice and Powell. That, however, is the reason Powell never referenced the forged documents in his UN address, a point which you have now apparently conceded. You notice how the longer this goes on, the more ground you have to give up? Wonder why?
    Last edited by Jack Hays; 04-06-13 at 06:12 PM.
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