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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Bullxit.

    • Speaking to reporters, Hadley said details from the CIA memos and phone call slipped his mind. He apologized to Bush on Monday, he said. "The high standards the president set were not met," said Hadley. Despite the error, the president has "full confidence in his national security advisor, his deputy national security advisor and the director of central intelligence," said White House Communications Director Dan Bartlett.


    • "The CIA was pushing the aluminum tube argument heavily and Cheney went with that instead of what our guys wrote," Powell said. And the Niger reference in Bush's State of the Union speech? "That was a big mistake," he said. "It should never have been in the speech. I didn't need Wilson to tell me that there wasn't a Niger connection. He didn't tell us anything we didn't already know. I never believed it."


    • "Those 16 words should never have been included in the text written for the president," George Tenet said in a statement. "This was a mistake."


    • "Now, we've long acknowledged -- and this is old news, we've said this repeatedly -- that the information on yellow cake did, indeed, turn out to be incorrect." ~ Ari Fleischer


    • "What we've said subsequently is, knowing what we now know, that some of the Niger documents were apparently forged, we wouldn't have put this in the President's speech -- but that's knowing what we know now." ~ Condoleezza Rice


    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post

    Not an intelligence professional among them.
    How lucky are you that you had little credibility to risk to begin with?

    So George Tenet, Director of the CIA at the time ... was not an "intelligence professional?"

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    WTF are you smoking??

    Colin Powell referred to the forged documents in his presentation to the U.N. when presenting Bush's case against Iraq. That's your idea of declining to vouch for their authenticity? So we knew they were probably fake, but tried to sell them to the U.N. to build a case against Iraq?? Or are you're saying that the Bush administration intentionally lied to the U.N. with the evidence they offered at the hands of Colin Powell??
    Please identify Powell's reference to the forged documents.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Yes. Does that justify our actions in Iraq? No.Its not our job to overthrow foreign nations leaders.

    you are correct it not in the constitution, as well as the government taking care of the people either.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    How lucky are you that you had little credibility to risk to begin with?

    So George Tenet, Director of the CIA at the time ... was not an "intelligence professional?"
    He's a fine man, but a political appointee, and not an intelligence professional. He'd be the first to say he's not.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    There was no deception. Nor was there an intent to deceive.
    Bullxit.

    • Speaking to reporters, Hadley said details from the CIA memos and phone call slipped his mind. He apologized to Bush on Monday, he said. "The high standards the president set were not met," said Hadley. Despite the error, the president has "full confidence in his national security advisor, his deputy national security advisor and the director of central intelligence," said White House Communications Director Dan Bartlett.



    • "The CIA was pushing the aluminum tube argument heavily and Cheney went with that instead of what our guys wrote," Powell said. And the Niger reference in Bush's State of the Union speech? "That was a big mistake," he said. "It should never have been in the speech. I didn't need Wilson to tell me that there wasn't a Niger connection. He didn't tell us anything we didn't already know. I never believed it."



    • "Those 16 words should never have been included in the text written for the president," George Tenet said in a statement. "This was a mistake."



    • "Now, we've long acknowledged -- and this is old news, we've said this repeatedly -- that the information on yellow cake did, indeed, turn out to be incorrect." ~ Ari Fleischer



    • "What we've said subsequently is, knowing what we now know, that some of the Niger documents were apparently forged, we wouldn't have put this in the President's speech -- but that's knowing what we know now." ~ Condoleezza Rice
    Whatever may or may not have been wrong, not one of these quotes indicates an intent to deceive.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    WTF are you smoking??

    Colin Powell referred to the forged documents in his presentation to the U.N. when presenting Bush's case against Iraq. That's your idea of declining to vouch for their authenticity? So we knew they were probably fake, but tried to sell them to the U.N. to build a case against Iraq?? Or are you're saying that the Bush administration intentionally lied to the U.N. with the evidence they offered at the hands of Colin Powell??
    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Please identify Powell's reference to the forged documents.
    I'll help you. Here's the text.

    Colin Powell's speech - Washington Post
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...xt_020503.html
    eMediaMillWorks. Wednesday, February 5, 2003. Following is the full text of U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell's speech to the United Nations on Iraq.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    "At about the same time as the State of the Union address, they said that the dossier doesn't correspond to the truth," Senator Brutti said. He said he did not know whether the warning was given before or after President Bush's address.

    He made the claim more than once, but gave no supporting evidence. Amid confusing statements by various lawmakers, he later appeared to backtrack in conversations with both The Associated Press and Reuters, saying that because Sismi never had the documents, it could not comment on their merit.

    There had long been doubts within the United States intelligence community about the authenticity of the yellowcake documents, and references to it had been deleted from other presentations given at the time.

    Senator Luigi Malabarba, who also attended Thursday's hearing, said in a telephone interview that General Pollari had told the committee that Mr. Martino was "offering the documents not on behalf of Sismi but on behalf of the French" and that Mr. Martino had told prosecutors in Rome that he was in the service of French intelligence.

    Source of Forged Niger-Iraq Uranium Documents Identified
    The claim of French involvement is a false trail.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I'll help you. Here's the text.

    Colin Powell's speech - Washington Post
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    eMediaMillWorks. Wednesday, February 5, 2003. Following is the full text of U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell's speech to the United Nations on Iraq.

    You are having problems with posting links

    'A Policy of Evasion and Deception'

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    You are having problems with posting links

    'A Policy of Evasion and Deception'
    Thanks. I want to make sure SY has a chance to review it.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    WTF are you smoking??

    Colin Powell referred to the forged documents in his presentation to the U.N. when presenting Bush's case against Iraq. That's your idea of declining to vouch for their authenticity? So we knew they were probably fake, but tried to sell them to the U.N. to build a case against Iraq?? Or are you're saying that the Bush administration intentionally lied to the U.N. with the evidence they offered at the hands of Colin Powell??
    Let's see if I can make the link work. I really want you read it.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp.../...xt_020503.html



    Oh well. Still not working. At least our mutual friend helped me out.
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