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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    It means the SOTU language was deliberately restrained so as not to go beyond the intelligence. It was the opposite of scare/shock tactics; it was conservative language.
    No. Anything more overt would have been easily spotted with no deniability. The best lies are not overt, but couched in such a way as to seem as more than it was. Contact means nothing, and as nothing, no reason to bring it up at all.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No. Anything more overt would have been easily spotted with no deniability. The best lies are not overt, but couched in such a way as to seem as more than it was. Contact means nothing, and as nothing, no reason to bring it up at all.
    That's the point. It was not a lie.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    That's the point. It was not a lie.
    That's a matter of opinion. He said The British government has learned. He should have said: The British have Intelligence that Saddam Hussein...

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    5 hours ago -

    Attacks in Iraq kill 3 soldiers, 5 civilians

    "BAGHDAD: A series of bombs exploded Friday in Iraq, killing eight people in attacks that targeted members of both Sunni and Shiite Muslim sects, police said.

    In the first incident, attackers detonated a bomb as an army vehicle was traveling through the western Baghdad neighborhood of Abu Ghraib, killing three soldiers.

    Later, a bomb exploded near a vegetable stand, killing three civilians and wounding 15 in the Shiite-dominated city of Hillah, 95 kilometers (60 miles) south of Baghdad.

    Soon after Friday prayers in the city of Baqouba, 60 kilometers (60 miles) northeast of Baghdad, a roadside bomb exploded as worshippers left a Sunni mosque, killing two and wounding a dozen people.

    Health officials confirmed the casualties. All spoke anonymously because they were not allowed to brief reporters.

    There were no immediate claims of responsibility, but some of the attacks were typical of al-Qaida's Iraq branch, the Islamic State of Iraq. The militant Sunni group frequently uses car bombs, suicide bombers and coordinated blasts to target Shiites and those working with the Shiite-led government of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki.

    It was not immediately clear who targeted the Sunni mosque."

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    That's the point. It was not a lie.
    Deception is a lie.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    That's a matter of opinion. He said The British government has learned. He should have said: The British have Intelligence that Saddam Hussein...
    The Brits believed (and believe) their source was credible, and I share their view.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Deception is a lie.
    There was no deception. Nor was there an intent to deceive.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    There was no deception. Nor was there an intent to deceive.
    Sure they was. There was no reason to say it otherwise. None. Without deception, it wouldn't have been mentioned.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Sure they was. There was no reason to say it otherwise. None. Without deception, it wouldn't have been mentioned.
    It was an accurate description of the world around us, in keeping with the responsibilities of the POTUS.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The Brits believed (and believe) their source was credible, and I share their view.
    Sorry, but belief is not learning.

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