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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post

    Ummm, you said, "Saddam wasn't letting UN inspectors in."

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post

    Um, no I didn't. I said that he was never fully cooperative.
    Holy ****!!

    It's bad enough you can't understand what I write ("decade" vs "decades") ... now you prove you don't understand what YOU write!!

    I quoted you verbatim ... That's why I put your words in quotes.

    Those were your exact words. But that's ok, I understand why you're running away from them now, now that you've been shown that despite your claim that Hussein wouldn't let the inspectors in, Hans Blix revealed that is a lie as the inspectors went where ever they wanted.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Joe Wilson was the last person to confront Saddam Hussein before Desert Storm

    When Hussein sent a note to Wilson (along with other embassy heads in Baghdad) threatening to execute anyone sheltering foreigners in Iraq, Wilson publicly repudiated the dictator by appearing at a press conference wearing a homemade noose around his neck and declaring, "If the choice is to allow American citizens to be taken hostage or to be executed, I will bring my own ****ing rope." [8] Despite Hussein's threats, Wilson sheltered more than 100 Americans at the embassy and successfully evacuated several thousand people (Americans and other nationals) from Iraq. For his actions, he was called a "a true American hero" by President George H. W. Bush.[4]
    True and admirable (if a bit melodramatic for my taste) but irrelevant.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    No one ever claimed there was a sale, only a contract. The British never even claimed there was a contract, only an inquiry. Wilson didn't know that, and the nuance seems to have escaped Rice.
    Which means what? It's one of those vague statements that has no real meaning. I might inquire into what going to the moon might take, but I'm not going. I might have talked to any person you can think of, but that doesn't mean we had a relationship of any kind. Such vague meaningless statements did a lot of harm in this case.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Which means what? It's one of those vague statements that has no real meaning. I might inquire into what going to the moon might take, but I'm not going. I might have talked to any person you can think of, but that doesn't mean we had a relationship of any kind. Such vague meaningless statements did a lot of harm in this case.
    IMO, it was put in the SOTU to scare/shock the masses. I don't think most people would know that it would many years to develop a nuke from the uranium stage.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by AllanHampton View Post
    Maybe you can help me out here ...

    The article you linked, dated 1933, states there were no less than 14 million Jews world-wide.

    Yet in 1947, that number had dropped to 11.2 million




    How do you explain a global decrease of at least 3 million Jews over a 13 year period?

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Regarding post #1235...

    I don't know why the photobucket URL expired, hopefully, this one will endure ...

    Yet in 1947, that number had dropped to 11.2 million



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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Maybe you can help me out here ...

    The article you linked, dated 1933, states there were no less than 14 million Jews world-wide.

    Yet in 1947, that number had dropped to 11.2 million




    How do you explain a global decrease of at least 3 million Jews over a 13 year period?
    All I can tell is what is reported. Put your question in a search engine.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Ummm, you said, "Saddam wasn't letting UN inspectors in."

    That was your lie.

    Hans Blix said the UN inspectors had access to where ever they went:


    "In my 27 January [2003] update to the Council, I said that it seemed from our experience that Iraq had decided in principle to provide cooperation on process, most importantly prompt access to all sites and assistance to UNMOVIC in the establishment of the necessary infrastructure. This impression remains, and we note that access to sites has so far been without problems, including those that had never been declared or inspected, as well as to Presidential sites and private residences." ~ Hans Blix
    Bull, I never said that. I said he was uncooperative. Please quote the post using the quote function where I said he would allow them in.

    So I'll give you ANOTHER chance to answer the question and debate this like an adult. Do you really think that Saddam was 100% cooperative with the UN inspections at ANY time?

    You quote ONE man who says they had access. I have MULTIPLE people saying the opposite.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Bull, I never said that. I said he was uncooperative. Please quote the post using the quote function where I said he would allow them in.

    So I'll give you ANOTHER chance to answer the question and debate this like an adult. Do you really think that Saddam was 100% cooperative with the UN inspections at ANY time?

    You quote ONE man who says they had access. I have MULTIPLE people saying the opposite.
    Whether he was or wasn't is beside the point. Inspectors were on the group. Most of his weapons had been accounted for. There was no reason to believe him anywhere near the kind of threat that justified what we spent both in dollars and lives. And the inspectors themselves called for more time and not to invade.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Whether he was or wasn't is beside the point. Inspectors were on the group. Most of his weapons had been accounted for. There was no reason to believe him anywhere near the kind of threat that justified what we spent both in dollars and lives. And the inspectors themselves called for more time and not to invade.
    I never agreed with invading Iraq. What I am saying is that I can understand the mindset that led to the invasion. I can completely understand why people would not trust Saddam Hussein and believe that he was a threat, not only to his own country but to the entire region.

    Also, the fact that SOME people think we went to war with Iraq strictly over oil is utterly ridiculous. We get MOST of our oil from Canada and South America.

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