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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    I would say it is about the same. Tensions have risen in other parts of the world, it has destroyed countless American and Iraqi lives, and anyone actually involved in the war, I would say the majority of them don't much care for it. By definition the Bush administration and Bush are war criminals, likely another reason why Bush is the most expensive ex-president to the US taxpayers. Do I think it is better? Yeah, but not in a way that say the world is better without Hitler, if that makes sense.
    Why would GWB be "the most expensive" ex-POTUS?
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Actually, an informed professional judgment. I have no idea why Rice would have said what she said. Wilson is easier; he didn't know what he didn't know.
    What was the reason he was sent to Niger, to see if somebody was attempting to purchase uranium?

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    What was the reason he was sent to Niger, to see if somebody was attempting to purchase uranium?
    To see whether someone had sought uranium, yes.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    To see whether someone had sought uranium, yes.
    Because of the SOTU speech?

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Because of the SOTU speech?
    No. He was sent as part of the process to assess intelligence reporting.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by AllanHampton View Post
    My information says the U.S. declared war on Germany first, after FDR goaded Japan into bombing Pearl Harbor.
    FDR didn't goad the Japanese into bombing Pearl Harbor - they came up with that on their own. And Germany declared war on the United States.

    Read a frickin' history book, will you?
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by AllanHampton View Post
    It must be yet another painfully slow day at Stormfront. Yet more infection.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    No. He was sent as part of the process to assess intelligence reporting.
    Huh, I thought he was sent for a specific reason.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Huh, I thought he was sent for a specific reason.
    Yes. He was following up on specific reports.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    FDR didn't goad the Japanese into bombing Pearl Harbor - they came up with that on their own. And Germany declared war on the United States.

    Read a frickin' history book, will you?
    Depends on which side of frickin history you read;

    FDR provoked the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor
    It has long been suspected that there was advanced knowledge of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor that was not properly given to commanders at Pearl Harbor, information that could have prevented the attack or let the American forces be more prepared.
    This is a complex situation. There are two primary issues at hand:
    1)Was the attack on Pearl Harbor provoked?
    2)Did the FDR administration have prior knowledge of an impending attack and fail to warn those stationed at Pearl Harbor?
    Whether or not FDR knew about the Japanese plans to attack Pearl Harbor actually misses the larger and more important issue, which is the fact that the Japanese were provoked into attacking America at Pearl Harbor. The majority of Americans, and even service men, were unaware of what was going on behind the scenes, but not all were. FDR had been charged in public with agitating for war since 1939. FDR had to push the Japanese into attacking the United States because the overwhelming majority of Americans opposed getting involved in the war and Japan itself had no intentions of attacking the United States, their interest was Asia. Without FDR's antagonisms towards the Japanese, Congress and the American people never would have allowed FDR to declare war on Japan or Germany; FDR knew this, and he also knew how important it really was that America join in the war against fascism and imperialism.
    The most direct evidence of antagonisms toward Japan is the McCollum Memo written October 7th 1940 (declassified in 1994) that was given to FDR as well as the actions that were later taken by the administration.

    Of critical importance in this memo is the portion that reads:

    9. It is not believed that in the present state of political opinion the United States government is capable of declaring war against Japan without more ado; and it is barely possible that vigorous action on our part might lead the Japanese to modify their attitude. Therefore, the following course of action is suggested:

    A. Make an arrangement with Britain for the use of British bases in the Pacific, particularly Singapore.

    B. Make an arrangement with Holland for the use of base facilities and acquisition of supplies in the Dutch East Indies.

    C. Give all possible aid to the Chinese government of Chiang-Kai-Shek.

    D. Send a division of long range heavy cruisers to the Orient, Philippines, or Singapore.

    E. Send two divisions of submarines to the Orient.

    F. Keep the main strength of the U.S. fleet now in the Pacific in the vicinity of the Hawaiian Islands.

    G. Insist that the Dutch refuse to grant Japanese demands for undue economic concessions, particularly oil.

    H. Completely embargo all U.S. trade with Japan, in collaboration with a similar embargo imposed by the British Empire.

    10. If by these means Japan could be led to commit an overt act of war, so much the better. At all events we must be fully prepared to accept the threat of war.

    - H. McCollum

    FDR provoked the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor

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