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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Iraq war anniversary: 'Iraqis would be better off under Saddam', says Andrew Gilligan

    "Speaking on the anniversary of the Iraq invasion, former war reporter and Sunday Telegraph London editor Andrew Gilligan said that rather than rescuing Iraqis from the grip of a tyrant, the toppling of former dictator Saddam Hussein had in fact negatively impacted the lives of ordinary citizens.

    "Life under Saddam under the last ten years would not have been pleasant but it would have been better for most people, and a lot fewer people would have died, than it has been under so-called liberation," he said.

    "Life is less secure, life is less prosperous and basic services still haven't returned to the level they were pre-war."

    Mr Gilligan spoke shortly after a wave of bombings tore through Baghdad on Tuesday morning, killing at least 56 people in a spate of violence timed to coincide with the anniversary of the US-led invasion. "

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Iraq war anniversary: 'Iraqis would be better off under Saddam', says Andrew Gilligan

    "Speaking on the anniversary of the Iraq invasion, former war reporter and Sunday Telegraph London editor Andrew Gilligan said that rather than rescuing Iraqis from the grip of a tyrant, the toppling of former dictator Saddam Hussein had in fact negatively impacted the lives of ordinary citizens.

    "Life under Saddam under the last ten years would not have been pleasant but it would have been better for most people, and a lot fewer people would have died, than it has been under so-called liberation," he said.

    "Life is less secure, life is less prosperous and basic services still haven't returned to the level they were pre-war."

    Mr Gilligan spoke shortly after a wave of bombings tore through Baghdad on Tuesday morning, killing at least 56 people in a spate of violence timed to coincide with the anniversary of the US-led invasion. "

    Video: Iraq war anniversary: 'Iraqis would be better off under Saddam', says Andrew Gilligan - Telegraph
    The late, great Michael Kelly can answer.

    "To march against the war is not to give peace a chance," he wrote six weeks before his death. "It is to give tyranny a chance." In another column, filed from Kuwait, he recalled George Orwell's line about tyranny being "a jackboot forever stomping on the human face."

    "I understand why some dislike the idea, and fear the ramifications of, America as a liberator. But I do not understand why they do not see that anything is better than life with your face under the boot." In all the arguments about the war, both before and after Kelly's death, I have never seen this basic moral point convincingly refuted by anyone.

    After Kelly died, a selection of his magazine articles and newspaper columns was collected in a single volume titled "Things Worth Fighting For." --WSJ

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Please note that the SOTU was on 29 January and Wilson was contacted in February. Also please note there is a difference between "a CIA report" and "a report in the possession of the CIA."
    That's too funny, the SOTU was Jan 29, 2003 Wilson's trip to Niger was late February 2002 Mr. CIA Man.


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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The late, great Michael Kelly can answer.

    "To march against the war is not to give peace a chance," he wrote six weeks before his death. "It is to give tyranny a chance." In another column, filed from Kuwait, he recalled George Orwell's line about tyranny being "a jackboot forever stomping on the human face."

    "I understand why some dislike the idea, and fear the ramifications of, America as a liberator. But I do not understand why they do not see that anything is better than life with your face under the boot." In all the arguments about the war, both before and after Kelly's death, I have never seen this basic moral point convincingly refuted by anyone.

    After Kelly died, a selection of his magazine articles and newspaper columns was collected in a single volume titled "Things Worth Fighting For." --WSJ

    Remembering Michael Kelly

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    In The Wall Street Journal, Global View columnist Bret Stephens writes about a writer who hated phonies, stood for truth, and died for his ...http://Remembering Michael KellyWall Street Journal ‎


    Nice to know that you put a higher priority on your ideology than than you do the actual living conditions for the Iraqis. Thanks for sharing that about you, it provides much insight into the formulation your opinions.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    That's too funny, the SOTU was Jan 29, 2003 Wilson's trip to Niger was late February 2002 Mr. CIA Man.
    You are correct and my post was in error. Shows the danger of quick replies about events ten years ago.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Nice to know that you put a higher priority on your ideology than than you do the actual living conditions for the Iraqis. Thanks for sharing that about you, it provides much insight into the formulation your opinions.
    I would say you're the one driven by ideology.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    LOL! Well if it's a secret how would the press know?

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    You are correct and my post was in error.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Later.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post

    Bush is NOT the only one to say that. There were other UN inspectors who stated that they felt Saddam was hiding something. Go back and read the links. It's ALL there.
    In 2003, Bush was the only one to say that Hussein wouldn't let the inspectors in. Everything in your article about inspectors being denied access was from before November 2002 when Hussein let the inspectors back in.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post

    Again, how many times do I have to repeat myself? He may have let them in, and he may have let them inspect certain areas, but he was NOT open and honest, and he was NOT cooperative with a LOT of things.
    I would point out that there's a chasm as wide as the Grand Canyon between Hussein not being open and honest with Hussein not letting the inspectors in, but I realize that would be a complete waste on someone who can't discern the difference between "decade" and "decades." Oh well, c'est la vie. Needless to say, words have meaning and those words don't mean the same thing. Though I do understand you are trying to change the definition of words in a failed attempt to spin your lie into something you can defend, but unfortunately for you, it ain't workin'.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post

    That's like saying the world isn't a better place without Hitler in it. Please.
    Yeah, sure, it's just like saying that .... except that it's not.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post

    Are you effing kidding me? That statement is SO contradictory it's not even funny!
    You really have no idea what you're talking about. Iran and Iraq were bitter enemies. Now, Iraq is West Iran. I can't help that you are incapable of fathoming the geopolitical implications of such a chaotic disaster.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post

    The way we went about removing him was not ideal. I would have preferred sending in some CIA assassins or a small team of assassins to take him out and spare our soldiers.
    That doesn't even address the question. That isn't how it went down. The way it went down was, although we were told it would take no more than 6 months, $50 billion dollars, and that Iraq would pay for their own rebuilding; it actually took 9 years, as much as $2 trillion dollars, we paid to rebuild their nation, and it cost us 35,000+ casualties, about 5,000 deaths, and sparked a civil war which killed no less than 100,000 Iraqis. The question was -- was that worth it? The question was not, how would you have liked to see it go down?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post

    Yeah, well that isn't the question. The question is "IS the WORLD a better place without him?" YES it is.
    This is a chatroom -- we're not limited to one question. Though some people do like to hide behind the thread topic to avoid tougher questions.

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