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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    [QUOTE=Sheik Yerbuti;1061642535]
    What does that have to do with your inability to prove what you say?? You're defending Bushes lie that Hussein wouldn't let the inspectors in, remember? I know you're trying to take a detour from that since I proved it was a lie, but that ain't gonna happen. I posted a quote from Hans Blix who was not only in Iraq, but said that in the short period they were there, they had already gained access to over 300 sites. You've been all over the map running away from that since.
    Bush is NOT the only one to say that. There were other UN inspectors who stated that they felt Saddam was hiding something. Go back and read the links. It's ALL there. Saddam HIMSELF admitted to making it look that way. Now, we aren't mind readers. If someone tells us that they are hiding something, and after an incident like 9/11, and the games continue with this guy we would be frigging idiots to ignore that.

    Bush said Hussein wouldn't let the inspectors in.

    You repeated, and defended, that lie.
    Again, you haven't been reading the links QUITE obviously.

    Hans Blix's testimony indicates you're lying.
    Oh, this one guy says Saddam is a good cooperative guy right? Good God, join me in the world of reality.

    G'head, this is where you insert your next non-sequitur.
    Well I wouldn't want to make things more complicated for you.

    "Decades???"

    Can't you read, Chris?? Where did I said "decades old???" I said, decade old...
    I can read. Can you? You did say "decades old talking points." Don't be dishonest. It just makes you look like an ass.

    Sorry, but I just had to highlight you projecting that immediately after you misread what I wrote.

    Pointing out your lack of self-awareness would be an understatement.
    Take a look in the mirror. You either haven't been following along, or you just don't understand. I can't make that call.


    While that was true at one time, it's simply not true at the time Bush decided to invade.

    Blix reported how they performed over 400 inspections at over 300 sites, including presidential palaces. You can continue to lie about the matter, but you cannot prove your lies are not lies.
    Again, how many times do I have to repeat myself? He may have let them in, and he may have let them inspect certain areas, but he was NOT open and honest, and he was NOT cooperative with a LOT of things.


    What is completely insane is making the blanket statement that the world is a better place without him.


    That's like saying the world isn't a better place without Hitler in it. Please. Saddam was a rotten man who would GLADLY rid himself of any obstacle and anyone who disagreed with him, as long as he could. Of course, he took a more cowardly approach with others who weren't at his mercy. He committed genocide more than one time.

    Are you arguing that point?

    Of course that's true in most regards, but not all. There were benefits to him being in power, namely, he kept Iran in check. Since he's been gone, Iran has gone full-throttle in developing nukes whereas they wouldn't do that while he was in power because they feared him.
    Are you effing kidding me? That statement is SO contradictory it's not even funny!

    So while it's true that the world is a better place without him, that doesn't mean we can't talk about the disadvantages about him being gone.

    And the even more salient question is ... was it worth removing him?
    The way we went about removing him was not ideal. I would have preferred sending in some CIA assassins or a small team of assassins to take him out and spare our soldiers.

    At the cost of over 35,000 American casualties ... between 1 and 2 trillion dollars ... our moral highground lost in the deaths over over 100,000 Iraqis ... I say no, it was not worth it. Not even close.
    Yeah, well that isn't the question. The question is "IS the WORLD a better place without him?" YES it is.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    sheik - you might be interested in this.

    Iraq - Searching for Steele - Foreign Correspondent - ABC

    it looks at one of the many elements that contributed to making the Iraqis worse off after the invasion.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    I have to get to work, but I'll address the rest of your post later. For now, I just want to quickly expose you for lies you tell...

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post

    I can read. Can you? You did say "decades old talking points." Don't be dishonest.
    Seriously, Chris, you're making a complete fool of yourself. I even gave you a link to my post where I said, "decade old talking points."

    Here it is again. And with a link which proves you're hallucinating...


    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post

    Do you have anything to argue other than decade old talking points?
    I never said what you're hallucinating I said. I can't help you with that more than I have already tried.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post

    It just makes you look like an ass.
    Spits the poster who's insisting I said "decades old talking points" despite the evidence that I absolutely did not.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    I have to get to work, but I'll address the rest of your post later. For now, I just want to quickly expose you for lies you tell...


    Seriously, Chris, you're making a complete fool of yourself. I even gave you a link to my post where I said, "decade old talking points."

    Here it is again. And with a link which proves you're hallucinating...




    I never said what you're hallucinating I said. I can't help you with that more than I have already tried.


    Spits the poster who's insisting I said "decades old talking points" despite the evidence that I absolutely did not.
    Blah, blah, blah, whatever. Maybe I misread your post. This is totally irrelevant and off point. Do YOU think the world is a better place without Saddam Hussein? If not, please list his contributions that made him a valuable member of society and the world, besides "keeping the Iraqis in line" because that would really only be a benefit depending upon how you view the particular situation.

    BTW, I also have to ready for my day at work, so I'll check back with you later. Later!

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Well, officially the war ended in December 2011. That is when we pulled our troops out.
    at least temporarily:

    Over 3,000 US troops have secretly returned to Iraq via Kuwait for missions pertaining to the recent developments in Syria and northern Iraq, Press TV reports.


    According to our correspondent, the US troops have secretly entered Iraq in multiple stages and are mostly stationed at Balad military garrison in Salahuddin province and al-Asad air base in al-Anbar province.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Yes, really.
    PM for you.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Hell, now you're trying to change what you claimed -- another clear sign you're a fraud.

    You didn't claim the forged documents were not part of the 16 words -- you claimed they were not part of any reports (despite the CIA telling the Congress they were) You also claimed it was Wilson who injected the forged documents into the "discussion" at the time. That is completely false since it was determined that the forged documents came from an Italian spy in 2001 and became public information in 2003, before Wilson ever mentioned them in his OP/ED to the NY Times.

    Oh, and by the way, the National Security Advisor confessed that the 16 words were based on British intelligence AND the forged documents. Regrettably for you, you have nothing but a fervent imagination working overtime to dispute that.
    The clear context of our earlier exchange was the sixteen words.

    From Wilson's 6 July 2003 NYT article: "In February 2002, I was informed by officials at the Central Intelligence Agency that Vice President Dick Cheney's office had questions about a particular intelligence report. While I never saw the report, I was told that it referred to a memorandum of agreement that documented the sale of uranium yellowcake -- a form of lightly processed ore -- by Niger to Iraq in the late 1990's. The agency officials asked if I would travel to Niger to check out the story so they could provide a response to the vice president's office."

    The reason the report was never used to prep the SOTU was because it was in question, as Wilson noted. That's also why GWB only referred to Saddam attempting to procure uranium, drawing back from the claim that a deal had been made.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    PM for you.
    Thanks, but that didn't answer the question as to why a special counsel was put on the leak case.


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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Thanks, but that didn't answer the question as to why a special counsel was put on the leak case.
    It was a reasonable question whether the law had been violated, and the hyper-ventilated politics of the time demanded it.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Please note that the SOTU was on 29 January and Wilson was contacted in February. Also please note there is a difference between "a CIA report" and "a report in the possession of the CIA."
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