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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Are you aware that Saddam profited some 18 billion dollars from the oil for food program, which was part of sanctions. Yup, he let his people starve to death and die and ignored the UN and every one else. This is the man you are defending.

    And do you HONESTLY think Saddam was cooperative with those inspections? That is incredibly naive. I can't even believe it.

    The world is a MUCH better place without him.
    You do know it was nothing compared to the money he made from us allowing him to smuggle oil. We weren't concerned about him making money.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You do know it was nothing compared to the money he made from us allowing him to smuggle oil. We weren't concerned about him making money.
    It was the fact that he allowed his own people to die. That's the point. The money is secondary.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    squashing that cockroach may well be the main reason why daffy quadaffi quit screwing around with us
    In fact that was the reason. Like most of our enemies, GT.W. Bush scared them.

    I like that, "Daffy Qadaffi."

    Qaddafi was so scared of G.W. Bush that he contacted the Americans and told them he was going to destroy his chemical weapons and dismantle his R&D for developing nukes and wanted to join as an ally with America on fighting Al Qaeda.

    That it was Qaddafi's intelligence service that took over enhanced interrogation of captured Al Qaeda for the CIA after the liberals got their panties all wadded up that we used loud rock music, sleep deprivation and standing in a corner for hours butt naked of terrorist who were responsible for killing 3,000 Americans. That the liberals wanted captured Al Qaeda members to be treated better than what a Marine Corps recruit experienced during boot camp.

    Today the only people scared of Barack Obama are our allies wondering if they are next to be thrown under the bus.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    It was the fact that he allowed his own people to die. That's the point. The money is secondary.
    Sure. And then we added to the number, faster.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Sure. And then we added to the number, faster.
    Are you aware that a lot of those numbers include insurgent attacks? The number of "Iraqis killed" isn't just from our side you know.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Okay, so what do you want to do about it?
    I want us to acknowledge the war on Iraq was wrong and only made things worse there for the Iraqis, and hopefully remember the lessons of Vietnam and Iraq when those start considering the same mistake in Iran.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I want us to acknowledge the war on Iraq was wrong and only made things worse there for the Iraqis, and hopefully remember the lessons of Vietnam and Iraq when those start considering the same mistake in Iran.
    How can you say it made things worse? It hasn't even been two full years yet. Do you have a crystal ball or something?

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    How can you say it made things worse? It hasn't even been two full years yet. Do you have a crystal ball or something?
    Because that is what the Iraqis are saying. If a bull is set lose and runs through a china shop, is it the shop owner to blame because the mess hasn't been cleaned up yet?

    You don't need a crystal ball to see that things are getting worse, not better in Iraq.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Are you aware that a lot of those numbers include insurgent attacks? The number of "Iraqis killed" isn't just from our side you know.
    I don't know why you think that makes a difference. In fact, it matters not at all. No invasion, no insurgents.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    The "low confidence" section didn't need to be in the 25 page report, it's what everyone was discussing at the time. Don't you think Clinton, Kerry, Biden, and the many others asked the simple questions posed in the "low confidence" section before agreeing to the Iraq Resolution?
    You provide the perfect example of how easy it was for the Bush administration to dupe the Congress.

    Here's a prime example where Bush was given intel which provided him "low confidence" in our intelligence community's belief that Hussein would attack the US Homeland, yet Bush acted as though it was practically a given That Hussein would if he had the opportunity:


    • "We've also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas. We're concerned that Iraq is exploring ways of using these UAVS for missions targeting the United States." ~ George Bush, 10.7.2002 -- after the NIE was in his hands


    • "Some ask how urgent this danger is to America and the world. The danger is already significant, and it only grows worse with time. If we know Saddam Hussein has dangerous weapons today -- and we do -- does it make any sense for the world to wait to confront him as he grows even stronger and develops even more dangerous weapons?" ~ George Bush, 10.7.2002 -- after the NIE was in his hands


    And here's a prime example where Bush was given intel which provided him "low confidence" in our intelligence community's belief that Hussein would give WMD to terrorists to attack us, yet Bush portrayed it as though it were a strong possibility:

    • "Iraq could decide on any given day to provide a biological or chemical weapon to a terrorist group or individual terrorists." ~ George Bush" ~ George Bush, 10.7.2002 -- after the NIE was in his hands


    Meanwhile, though Bush had an intel report informng him that the scare tactics he was using were bullxit, some 95% of the Congress didn't know better because the doubts expressed in the 96 page NIE were not in the 25 page version.

    All members of Congress without Bush clearance had to go by was what Bush was telling him. Since they DIDN'T have the same information Bush had, as many imbeciles try to portray, they couldn't know any better. And who could have known that Bush was bullxitting them??

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