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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    IMO continuing down a path you know is bad is far worse than ignorantly starting down the same path. Pres Obama knew the path we were on was wrong and continued down it. The beginning of Afghanistan was totally warranted. I think we both agree on that. As far as Iraq, Pres Bush, according to him, was led down the wrong path due to WMD's. Whether that's true or not we'll never know for sure. But the fact of the matter is that Pres Obama knew the road we were on and didn't have the balls to say "Screw it, I'm pulling us out of Iraq and Afghanistan. Both theaters are dead ends." Instead, he let the SOFA negotiations appear to fail (just my opinion) and doubled down on Afghanistan. He did the same thing Pres Bush did yet he knew the consequences already. Pres Bush didn't have the benefit of history and lessons learned. Pres Obama did. Yet he still doubled down in A-stan. In addition, he increased drone strikes, didn't close Gitmo like he said he would, and got into another ME theater (Libya). The dude's no less a warmonger than Bush and IMO far worse. Go ask a terrorist if he'd rather be waterboarded or hellfired. The only reason you give him a pass is because of that word beside your lean.
    Hardly. Once we invaded, the options were poor from there after. Most of the damage was already done. As for waterboardng or hellfire, that's really a false choice. We were doing both under Bush, so eliminating one is an improvement. I don't approve of drone strikes, didn't for Bush and don't for Obama. But I won't pretend both are exactly the same. Bush walked us in there. In Iraq, Obama is walking us out. From the beginning, Afghanistan had more support. And people criticized him when they thought he wouldn't double down. I disagree with him on that and said so.

    However, we will be leaving Afghanistan as well. It is just a matter of time. And it was inevitable, no matter who was president.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    There can be no question that a world without Saddam, Uday and whasisface (other son) is unquestionably a brighter place to some significant degree.


    It is simply inarguable that he was a rotten bastard, a horrifically tyrannical despot, and at least a potential threat to the security of his neighbors. Not to mention genocidal towards the Kurds.


    Whether the war itself was worth it is going to depend on larger issues, though... issues that will not be easily answered today, this year, or next year. The question will be whether something better than Saddam grows to fill that hole left in his absence.

    I hope it will be so. We'll see, over time.
    This. Obviously the Iraq War put heavy burdens and losses on the United States. The fruits of the war may come later - maybe not even in this decade - and may be less tangible.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    This. Obviously the Iraq War put heavy burdens and losses on the United States. The fruits of the war may come later - maybe not even in this decade - and may be less tangible.
    I value every American life but if you compare the Iraq war with the Vietnam war then Vietnam will blow you out of the water my left wing friend.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I value every American life but if you compare the Iraq war with the Vietnam war then Vietnam will blow you out of the water my left wing friend.
    How is that a response to what I wrote?
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    How is that a response to what I wrote?
    It's not.
    It's a red herring.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    How is that a response to what I wrote?

    I know your a liberal my left wing friend do I really have to draw you a picture when you compare the 2 wars
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    How is that a response to what I wrote?
    Just do it and let's see Navy blow you out in the water.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    Let's go ahead and get every bad guy in the world!

    There were bigger fish to fry then Saddam. Add to that our governments deception and cover ups as to the reason we went to war makes the the whole situation just a tad worse.

    But, you're use of "Saddam supporters" to anyone who said that the world was not a better place without Saddam is classic. Did Saddam deserve thousands of Americans dead, thousands and thousands of civilians dead, and trillions of dollars?

    No.
    If I remember things correctly Saddam was being very uncooperative with UN weapons inspections just prior to the Iraq invasion. Personally I feel the UN should have given him the ultimatum, cooperate or we will take you out, BUT we should have used a strategic air strike and never had troops on the ground. This would have saved countless lives both Iraqi and US and been a hell of a lot cheaper.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    I remember countless warnings to Saddam, I remember democrats and republicans alike voting for the war. In the end was it a bad thing? Not for Iraq for us it cost us a fortune in young lives and treasure as all our wars have ww1 ww2 korea nam, I was and am all for Bush and Cheneys response to 911 as a veteran. Were we to to just do nothing ? For the second time we were attacked on our soil. I give bush and cheney credit. Look we can all backseat, but the truth is no one knew where to attack alqueda. Ya know being American and for America shouldnt be liberal or conservative or democrat or republican. It should be what it always was before AMERICAN. Can we put america before democrat and republican talking points even just once

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    On the anniversary of the Iraq war the question begs to be asked.
    The WORLD? Sadam Hussein's absence in and of itself has hardly affected the world. At the same Iraq is now the 8th most corrupt country on earth! That nation remains in turmoil. It's infrastructure continues to suffer from 10 hard years of war.

    The world and certainly Iraq would be a much better place if 123,000 Iraqi civilians were still alive.

    It would be a much better world for their families.

    The world would be a much better place with the 4,488 Americans who have died in Iraq so far, and the countless numbers of family members.

    The world would be a much better place for 32,000 Americans who have been wounded so far in Iraq and for countless numbers of family members.

    The world would be a much better place for all the children born and to be born in Iraq with birth defects attributed to the toxic mix of the war, if the war had not have happened.

    The world would be a much better place if the nation had not ventured into rendition and torture.

    The U.S. and probably the world would be a much better place if Americans didn't spend an estimated $2.1 trillion dollars to kill one man (if you believe that is the reason the U.S. invaded Iraq).

    The U.S. would certainly be better off without the bull**** "war on terror" resulting from Bush's War.

    American citizens would likely never permanently given up so much freedom without the war in Iraq.

    Was all of the above worth it? Of course not. Not even close.










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