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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    What does the 96 page report say that the 25 page report doesn't?
    For example ...

    The 96 page classified NIE read:


    Iraq is developing medium-range ballistic missile capabilities, largely through foreign assistance in building specialized facilities, including a test stand for engines more powerful than those in its current missile force. We have low confidence in our ability to assess when Saddam would use WMD. (pg. 7)

    Compared to the 25 page White Paper that was given to some 95% of Congress, read:

    Iraq is developing medium-range ballistic missile capabilities, largely through foreign assistance in building specialized facilities. (pg. 2)

    Completely extracted was the admission that our intelligence agencies "possessed low confidence in their ability to assess when Saddam would use WMD".

    ... in another example ...

    The 96 page classified NIE read:


    Revelations after the Gulf war starkly demonstrate the extensive efforts undertaken by Iraq to deny information. We lack specific information on many key aspects of Iraq's WMD programs. (pg. 5)

    Compared to the 25 page White Paper that was given to some 95% of Congress, read:

    Revelations after the Gulf war starkly demonstrate the extensive efforts undertaken by Iraq to deny information. (pg. 5)

    Completely extracted was the admission of how "we lack specific information on many key aspects of Iraq's WMD." And there are many sush examples like this one when reviewing the two documents side by side.

    ... in another example ...

    Under a section titled, "Low Confidence," on page 9 of the 96 page classified NIE, it read:

    • When Saddam would use weapons of mass destruction.


    • Whether Saddam would engage in clandestine attacks against the US Homeland.


    • Whether in desperation Saddam would share chemical or biological weapons with al-Qa'ida.

    ... that entire section was left out of the 25 page White Paper that was given to some 95% of Congress.

    Needless to say, there are 71 pages of differences between the two documents. No one in their right mind could say those whose security clearance would only allow them access to the 25 page White Paper ... had the same information Bush had.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Uninformed about what?? I am not impressed with you pulling rank Jack, just because you were there doesn't mean diddilt-**** to me.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Very nice. I'd love for you to be my neighbor. I always saw the CIA in my post military career, but family screwed that up. I only had a brief encounter with CIA officials in twenty years.

    As for "uninformed," most are when quoting public knowledge of government events.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Yeah, and I was GWB's personal assistant.

    Some nameless/faceless guy on an internet chat forum claims to be such and such and you honestly expect me to believe it?

    Man, you sure assume a ton of naivety.
    I don't really care what you believe, and I'm aware of the inherent credibility issue. I've done what I can to point people in the right direction.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Here's the report all this information comes from:

    Report on the U.S. Intelligence Community's Prewar Intelligence Assessments on Iraq

    Submit your corrections here:

    U.S. Senate Select Committee on Intelligence

    When I see the Senate Intelligence Committee update their report with your recommendations, then I weill accept your findings. Until then, sit down and stfu with your nonsense that the official record is wrong.
    I have tried to point you in the right direction. What you do from that point is your business.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I don't really care what you believe, and I'm aware of the inherent credibility issue. I've done what I can to point people in the right direction.
    You're aware of it - yet you still expected people to trust the word of a nameless/faceless guy on a chat forum?

    For a supposed CIA department head, that's awfully naive, imo.

    And 'Naive' is not a word I often associate with the CIA.

    Just sayin'...

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    As you wish. I have tried to point you in the right direction.
    Yup, that's what people do on forums such as DP or Politico.


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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    You're aware of it - yet you still expected people to trust the word of a nameless/faceless guy on a chat forum?

    For a supposed CIA department head, that's awfully naive, imo.

    And 'Naive' is not a word I often associate with the CIA.

    Just sayin'...
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Yup, that's what people do on forums such as DP or Politico.
    All I ask is that you remember this exchange.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    As to your second example "We lack specific information....", the 25 page report says, in the sentence right before what would be the full statement of the 96 page report that "Baghdad's vigorous concealment efforts have meant that specific information on many aspects of Iraq's WMD programs is yet to be uncovered". Does that sound that much different from the original 96 page report?

    This is the first of your examples that I've gone over. Are they all going to be this weak?


    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    For example ...

    The 96 page classified NIE read:


    Iraq is developing medium-range ballistic missile capabilities, largely through foreign assistance in building specialized facilities, including a test stand for engines more powerful than those in its current missile force. We have low confidence in our ability to assess when Saddam would use WMD. (pg. 7)

    Compared to the 25 page White Paper that was given to some 95% of Congress, read:

    Iraq is developing medium-range ballistic missile capabilities, largely through foreign assistance in building specialized facilities. (pg. 2)

    Completely extracted was the admission that our intelligence agencies "possessed low confidence in their ability to assess when Saddam would use WMD".

    ... in another example ...

    The 96 page classified NIE read:


    Revelations after the Gulf war starkly demonstrate the extensive efforts undertaken by Iraq to deny information. We lack specific information on many key aspects of Iraq's WMD programs. (pg. 5)

    Compared to the 25 page White Paper that was given to some 95% of Congress, read:

    Revelations after the Gulf war starkly demonstrate the extensive efforts undertaken by Iraq to deny information. (pg. 5)

    Completely extracted was the admission of how "we lack specific information on many key aspects of Iraq's WMD." And there are many sush examples like this one when reviewing the two documents side by side.

    ... in another example ...

    Under a section titled, "Low Confidence," on page 9 of the 96 page classified NIE, it read:

    • When Saddam would use weapons of mass destruction.


    • Whether Saddam would engage in clandestine attacks against the US Homeland.


    • Whether in desperation Saddam would share chemical or biological weapons with al-Qa'ida.

    ... that entire section was left out of the 25 page White Paper that was given to some 95% of Congress.

    Needless to say, there are 71 pages of differences between the two documents. No one in their right mind could say those whose security clearance would only allow them access to the 25 page White Paper ... had the same information Bush had.

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