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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Yeah, and I was GWB's personal assistant.

    See, that is very unlikely.

    What's the point in discussing anything with anybody if we don't accept a measure of truth in identities to appreciate what is being brought to the table? It would appear the point is simply to bitch about pre-concieved notions and to stick with it no matter what, which is absolutey pointless to discussion.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Yeah, and I was GWB's personal assistant.

    Some nameless/faceless guy on an internet chat forum claims to be such and such and you honestly expect me to believe it?

    Man, you sure assume a ton of naivety.
    I can't imagine somebody who claims such importance, spending their time in an forum such as DP.


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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    See, that is very unlikely.

    What's the point in discussing anything with anybody if we don't accept a measure of truth in identities to appreciate what is being brought to the table? It would appear the point is simply to bitch about pre-concieved notions and to stick with it no matter what, which is absolutey pointless to discussion.
    And it was also obviously a joke.

    You want to believe him - who is stopping you?

    I don't believe anything without unbiased, factual evidence - especially from faceless people on a chat forum - and especially if it puts the person in a better light for the discussion.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I can't imagine somebody who claims such importance, spending their time in an forum such as DP.
    Actually, I can....though I agree it would be rare.

    I am not saying he is lying.

    I am just saying that there is NO WAY I am just going to take his word for it.

    Some nameless, faceless person on a chat forum?

    Ahhhh....no.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Actually, I can....though I agree it would be rare.

    I am not saying he is lying.

    I am just saying that there is NO WAY I am just going to take his word for it.

    Some nameless, faceless person on a chat forum?

    Ahhhh....no.
    Watch his posts, he just proclaims things to be true or false, he never provides any evidence. He may be what he said he was, but that doesn't mean his claims are true.


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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Watch his posts, he just proclaims things to be true or false, he never provides any evidence. He may be what he said he was, but that doesn't mean his claims are true.
    Agreed.

    Even if they were true - I am not believing them until he shows unbiased proof.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    What does the 96 page report say that the 25 page report doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    It was not the same intelligence information.

    I'm amazed that even after 10+ years, there are still people who live in some alternate universe where they continue to believe that nonsense, even though it has been thoroughly debunked over and over again.

    Here is the report given to Bush, others in his administration with the proper clearance, and to members of Congressional intelligence committees:


    96 page NIE

    And here is the report given to the other 95% of Congress:

    25 page NIE

    Do you really think a 25 page report IS THE SAME as a 96 page report??

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    What does the 96 page report say that the 25 page report doesn't?
    How weak the evidence was.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    None of your narrative about the forged documents is accurate.
    Here's the report all this information comes from:

    Report on the U.S. Intelligence Community's Prewar Intelligence Assessments on Iraq

    Submit your corrections here:

    U.S. Senate Select Committee on Intelligence

    When I see the Senate Intelligence Committee update their report with your recommendations, then I weill accept your findings. Until then, sit down and stfu with your nonsense that the official record is wrong.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    There has to be some measure of trust. Defaulting to mistrusting somebody's stated credentials only serves to allow you to stand by your idea of things.
    No, there does not have to be any level of trust where verification is lacking. If one cannot argue with verifiable facts, then they are showing up to gunfight with a rock (not even a knife). I've seen people on forums like these make all sorts of claims, only to undermine their own BS claims months later by unwittingly posting contradictory statements because they can't remember their own lies.

    I believe what I can see. Not what some anonymous person in an anonymous chatroom in cyberspace claims is real even though it can't be seen.

    There is too much evidence corroborating the history of those forged documents for his bullxit nonsense about unknown classified intel to even be considered in a debate about the matter.

    The documentation on enough of the matter has been declassified and made public.

    Despite his lies to the contrary, those forged documents were not proven to be forgeries "immediately." Despite his lies to the contrary, those forged documents were included in CIA reports. Despite his lies to the contrary, those forged documents raised questions (which prove there were not known to be fake at the time) that came from as high up as the vice president's office.

    Anybody losing an argument they don't want to lose can claim anything in an anonymous chatroom in a vain attempt to salvage their drowning position, but don't expect people to "trust" them and accept it as gospel.

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