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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Some of you are actually humorous, so thanks for that. But, but the war is OVER, and Iraq should have a booming economy and all the people should be riding unicorns and eating candy.
    The actual war has been over for years now, and the "nation building" project under way. The former was quite successful, as Saddam Hussain was toppled rather quickly. It's the latter that has been a disaster.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    That's interesting that Clinton, Biden, and Kerry.....the three most influential Democrats right now outside of Obama, and many other Democrats were foolish enough to get tricked by who the liberals believe to be the dumbest man alive.
    It is a puzzle, isn't it? It was the same intelligence information everyone was privy at the time that decided their vote. It's bad form to now say something different, and blame Bush, just because they, and everyone else, believed what they saw and heard, IMO. We could use the same argument...after the fact... on BHO's decisions regarding Egypt and Libya! :

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    I agree, it is bad form Polgara. I don't think we'll really know the results of our efforts in Iraq for another 10 or 20 years. Countries are often unstable and somewhat turbulent after wars.

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    It is a puzzle, isn't it? It was the same intelligence information everyone was privy at the time that decided their vote. It's bad form to now say something different, and blame Bush, just because they, and everyone else, believed what they saw and heard, IMO. We could use the same argument...after the fact... on BHO's decisions regarding Egypt and Libya! :

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    That came from a link within the link which led me to this as well. Just because Saddam let inspectors in, does NOT mean he was cooperative. That is what you seem to be not understanding.

    Looking Back: Iraq: Disarmament Without Resolution | Arms Control Association
    You're posting an article from someone who was not there. Here is someone who was ... one more time, Hans Blix (who was actually there)...

    "The inspections have taken place throughout Iraq, at industrial sites, ammunition depots, research centers, universities, presidential sites, mobile laboratories, private houses, missile-production facilities, military camps and agricultural sites." ~ Hans Blix

    Seems they got in to where ever they wanted, including presidential sites.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    We shall see.
    We have seen. This is now history.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Saddam admitted to making it seem as if he was hiding something with the UN inspectors and the rest of the world too. He wanted people to think he had weapons.
    This is absolutely true, but we have to appreciate where this was useful. Are we to assume that the most powerful nation in history, with the most sophisticated spy network on earth, was unaware of Saddam Hussein's WMD program? Bush and Co. knew what they were doing. They used 9/11 as a launch to deal with our leftovers in the region. The fact that Hussein made it his mission to be elusive about his program was about keeping his neighbors guessing about his threat to them and playing typical games with the United States. He payed for his games and he gave the White House the "question" of a threat.

    Don't get me wrong. I appreciate the bigger issues that even Clinton saw. The problem was that neither he nor Bush could have done anything about it without a 9/11 motivating Americans against what they simplistically define as "threats."

    North Korea is shaping up to be a like issue. For decades they have threatened not just South Korea, but their region. We applauded our containment program even as they developed nuclear arms. Now they daily threaten South korea and Japan and the United States as they launch missiles into the ocean and test nuclear devices even as even China backs away from them. How much longer will we play this game of containment and pretend that the inevitable isn't going to happen? LIke Iraq, the more we wait and pretend, the more expensive and deadly it will be. But we Americans will do just that because we need to see dead American civilians or a wrecked region before we see a reason for intervention. We learn the same lesson over and over. Both World Wars cost us millions of American lives because we lacked the conviction to identify a growing problem that "had nothing to do with us." We are very much stuck with dealing with the Middle East, just like we were and are stuck dealing with all the world's regions. It's our burden of leadership not experienced by anyone else in history.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    It is a puzzle, isn't it? It was the same intelligence information everyone was privy at the time that decided their vote. It's bad form to now say something different, and blame Bush, just because they, and everyone else, believed what they saw and heard, IMO. We could use the same argument...after the fact... on BHO's decisions regarding Egypt and Libya! :
    Do you realize that the NIE was published (Oct 2, 2002) just 9 days prior to the vote on the Iraq Resolution (Oct 11, 2002)? Very few Congress people had a chance to read it.


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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    We have seen. This is now history.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Do you realize that the NIE was published (Oct 2, 2002) just 9 days prior to the vote on the Iraq Resolution (Oct 11, 2002)? Very few Congress people had a chance to read it.
    That's because they are too busy finding ways not to do their job. We heard the same excuse from Democrats and some Repiblicans when it came to reading the Health Bill. Sounds like a trend they keep getting away with.

    Any High School student will receive a bad mark for not reading his material. It seems out national leaders aren't held to the same accountability. The same is true in military matters. Politicians can make bad desision after bad decision, but only in the military will a bad decision that gets people killed get you fired. A Drone strike that kills 10 civilians is forgiven inside Washington as long as the terrorist in question also died. But how dare a service member take it upon himself to murder a civilian.

    That's our leadership that can't find the time to read about something they vote on. We are ignorance led by the apathetic and traitorous.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post

    What a foolish excuse....typical liberal argument full of emotion and void of facts. Bush rushed into war? What, do you think Saddam just started behaving badly the week before the Resolution was signed?
    Yes, Bush rushed into war. The evidence of that is that there were U.N. weapons inspectors there doing the job. Bush rushed to war by pulling them out so he could attack rather than let them finish their job. And it seems you don't recall, but I do, the excuse given for rushing to war even though there were already inspectors in Iraq was that he didn't want the troops to be in Iraq over the summer because it gets too hot in the desert.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post

    Why do you suppose Kerry, Clinton, Biden, and many others would authorize war, which is exactly what they did, if they didn't have the proper information?
    Again, those people didn't have access to the same information Bush had. Hell, some of them didn't even read the information they were given. So the answer to "why" is that they went on the word of others, like the Commander-in-Chief, when his administration stated categorically and undeniably, Hussein had stockpiles of WMDs and was seeking nuclear weapons.

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