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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    You said, "obviously, inspectors had not been there since [2002]."

    I postsed a new article to show what complete and utter bullxit that is. Do you still not understand?



    The page you linked only went up to September, 2002. So who knows what page you're reading that from, but it wasn't from the one you linked; which in fact, does not contain any of that.

    what else ya got?
    That came from a link within the link which led me to this as well. Just because Saddam let inspectors in, does NOT mean he was cooperative. That is what you seem to be not understanding.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Some of you are actually humorous, so thanks for that. But, but the war is OVER, and Iraq should have a booming economy and all the people should be riding unicorns and eating candy.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post

    Umm, the "public airing" of this already occurred. Regrettably, based on the nonsense you've been posting -- it appears you missed it.

    But you are well-armed with talking points, I'll grant you that.
    We shall see.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by marywollstonecraft View Post
    I also look forward to the public airing of the lead up to this whole sorry affair.

    The Chilcott inquiry, which will be released later this year will provide some interesting reading, and in Australia, only a few weeks ago a former Defence Department Secretary stated that an inquiry into how Australia became involved in the Iraq War would expose the fragility of the decision making process.

    the whistleblowers have already revealed that public opinion was manipulated by those who misrepresented information ... but it looks like there is more ....
    We shall see.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by marywollstonecraft View Post
    if so, you may also have a lot invested in dismissing what I say.

    far more than I have invested in this matter.
    I don't dismiss it at all. You are doing your best with what you know.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    And they just agreed with all that war stuff in the Resolution because they were tired of haggling over details?

    The resolution cited many factors to justify the use of military force against Iraq:[2][3]
    Iraq's noncompliance with the conditions of the 1991 ceasefire agreement, including interference with U.N. weapons inspectors.
    Iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction, and programs to develop such weapons, posed a "threat to the national security of the United States and international peace and security in the Persian Gulf region."
    Iraq's "brutal repression of its civilian population."
    Iraq's "capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction against other nations and its own people".
    Iraq's hostility towards the United States as demonstrated by the 1993 assassination attempt on former President George H. W. Bush and firing on coalition aircraft enforcing the no-fly zones following the 1991 Gulf War.
    Members of al-Qaeda, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq.
    Iraq's "continu[ing] to aid and harbor other international terrorist organizations," including anti-United States terrorist organizations.
    Iraq paid bounty to families of suicide bombers.
    The efforts by the Congress and the President to fight terrorists, and those who aided or harbored them.
    The authorization by the Constitution and the Congress for the President to fight anti-United States terrorism.
    The governments in Turkey, Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia feared Saddam and wanted him removed from power.
    Citing the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998, the resolution reiterated that it should be the policy of the United States to remove the Saddam Hussein regime and promote a democratic replacement.


    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I suspect that many thought Saddam had WMD, but trusted President Bush would use diplomatic efforts, as specified in the resolution, to disarm him. As it turned out, he never did. In fact he refused to extend the time the UN inspectors has in the country.

    Excerpt from the Iraq resolution:

    SEC. 2. SUPPORT FOR UNITED STATES DIPLOMATIC EFFORTS. The Congress of the United States supports the efforts by the President to--

    (1) strictly enforce through the United Nations Security Council all relevant Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq and encourages him in those efforts; and

    (2) obtain prompt and decisive action by the Security Council to ensure that Iraq abandons its strategy of delay, evasion and noncompliance and promptly and strictly complies with all relevant Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq.

    Iraq War Resolution

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    And they just agreed with all that war stuff in the Resolution because they were tired of haggling over details?

    The resolution cited many factors to justify the use of military force against Iraq:[2][3]
    Iraq's noncompliance with the conditions of the 1991 ceasefire agreement, including interference with U.N. weapons inspectors.
    Iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction, and programs to develop such weapons, posed a "threat to the national security of the United States and international peace and security in the Persian Gulf region."
    Iraq's "brutal repression of its civilian population."
    Iraq's "capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction against other nations and its own people".
    Iraq's hostility towards the United States as demonstrated by the 1993 assassination attempt on former President George H. W. Bush and firing on coalition aircraft enforcing the no-fly zones following the 1991 Gulf War.
    Members of al-Qaeda, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq.
    Iraq's "continu[ing] to aid and harbor other international terrorist organizations," including anti-United States terrorist organizations.
    Iraq paid bounty to families of suicide bombers.
    The efforts by the Congress and the President to fight terrorists, and those who aided or harbored them.
    The authorization by the Constitution and the Congress for the President to fight anti-United States terrorism.
    The governments in Turkey, Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia feared Saddam and wanted him removed from power.
    Citing the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998, the resolution reiterated that it should be the policy of the United States to remove the Saddam Hussein regime and promote a democratic replacement.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    What a foolish excuse....typical liberal argument full of emotion and void of facts. Bush rushed into war? What, do you think Saddam just started behaving badly the week before the Resolution was signed?

    Why do you suppose Kerry, Clinton, Biden, and many others would authorize war, which is exactly what they did, if they didn't have the proper information?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    No, not lie about the threat Iraq posed. But exaggerate. The full 96 page NIE contained much uncertainty to the reliability of the intelligence. Most people in Congress did not have access to that report. Most were given the heavily redacted 28 page version which did not include much of the uncertainty. Then we're stuck with the fact that many in Congress didn't even bother to read it.

    Still, most Democrats in Congress voted against giving Bush the authorization to use military force in Iraq and most Democrats on Intelligence committee (who did have access to the full 96 page NIE) also voted against it.

    And again, the bill was not a declaration of war, but an authorization to go war IF the president felt it was the only way to achieve the stated goals in the bill. And if diplomacy wouldn't work.

    But Bush didn't give diplomacy the full opportunity it deservered when he pulled the U.N. inspectors out prematurely because he was eager to invade.

    Instead, if you recall, he claimed he had to rush to war because he didn't want our troops in Iraq during the summer time because it gets so hot there. So what does that idiot do? Condemns our troops suffer 10 summers in Iraq. The reality is, Bush did not care about our troops having to be in Iraq in the summer time, he wanted to rush to war before the U.N. concluded the WMD for which he invaded weren't there, thereby squashing American support for invading Iraq.

    THAT'S the lie. And few, if any in Congress, could know that all along while Bush was insisting that war was a last resort in his feeble mind, it was really his only goal.

    Over 35,000 American casualties
    Between 1 and 2 trillion dollars
    No less than 100,000 Iraqi deaths

    Was it worth THAT price? Hell no. Hussein didn't even have the WMD for which Bush claimed he needed to invade.

    And that's not even considering other factors, such as how removing Hussein has emboldened Iran to gain nukes, which they are closing in on. One of the best foreign policies Reagan had was to keep Iran and Iraq fighting against each other. Bush idiotically turns into Iraq into West Iran and more than doubles the threat against us.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Oh, thanks....I'll empty it right now. Happy Easter again, btw

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Happy Easter, JC!

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    That's interesting that Clinton, Biden, and Kerry.....the three most influential Democrats right now outside of Obama, and many other Democrats were foolish enough to get tricked by who the liberals believe to be the dumbest man alive.

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    What's cool about the death and destruction the war has caused? The WMD argument was used to build support in Congress for the Iraq resolution. The Bush administration successfully deceived the American people and Congress, and that's despicable.

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