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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Saddam admitted to making it seem as if he was hiding something with the UN inspectors and the rest of the world too. He wanted people to think he had weapons.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Further explanation is not possible. Although I retired in 2009, some restrictions don't end. I have shared as much as I can. I doubt you will find that satisfactory, but that's it. Maybe some day.
    although I find it unlikely that someone who was privy to that level of information would be discussing it (even at this level) on internet forums even after they retire ... it may explain why you are reluctant to acknowledge information that conflicts with decisions made at that time.

    you would have a lot more invested in those decisions being the right ones than most people.
    Every political good carried to the extreme must be productive of evil.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Another thing is that WE didn't kill him. The Iraqi people killed him. So now some of you are claiming that we are to blame for his death because we gave him to them, and they made the decision to try him and execute him?

    And just because things aren't so great in Iraq now does not mean they will never get better. Bunch of whining pessimists. It takes time for things to improve.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by marywollstonecraft View Post
    although I find it unlikely that someone who was privy to that level of information would be discussing it (even at this level) on internet forums even after they retire ... it may explain why you are reluctant to acknowledge information that conflicts with decisions made at that time.

    you would have a lot more invested in those decisions being the right ones than most people.
    On the contrary, I have nothing invested and have spoken publicly on the matter.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I don't understand what you mean by "it only goes up to 2002." Obviously, inspectors had not been there since.
    Obviously, the report you cite is over. 10 years old. When bush invaded March 2003, he asked the the UN inspectors headed by Hans Blix to leave the country.


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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I don't understand what you mean by "it only goes up to 2002." Obviously, inspectors had not been there since.
    they there up until the day before the invasion in 2003. they were still doing the job the "coalition of the willing" did not want them to do.
    Every political good carried to the extreme must be productive of evil.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Saddam admitted to making it seem as if he was hiding something with the UN inspectors and the rest of the world too. He wanted people to think he had weapons.
    Yes, mainly people in Iran. He didn't think the US would actually invade, which was an error on his part.
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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    No allegiance to GWB. I have posted repeatedly that the decision to invade Iraq preceded the intelligence; it did not follow it. The matter of Saddam seeking uranium in Niger is a question of fact, and to facts I have allegiance.
    To be clear, you're promoting facts that have not been established.

    At the time, Our own intelligence community found the allegation "inconclusive." Since that time, the documents which formed the opinion that there could be substance to the allegation proved to be worthless forgeries. The is the same intelligence the British claimed; which Bush spoke of in his State of the Union address.


    Which is why after the speech, Bush's security advisor took the blame for those 16 words being in the address, stating, "the high standards the president set were not met."

    That was after CIA Director Tenet took the blame, stating, "those 16 words should never have been included in the text written for the president," and, "this was a mistake."

    ... which was before Rice acknowedged the 16 words were bullxit, stating, "what we've said subsequently is, knowing what we now know, that some of the Niger documents were apparently forged, we wouldn't have put this in the President's speech -- but that's knowing what we know now."

    ... which was about the time Bush's press secretary (a tough job to be sure) also admitted the 16 words were wrong when he stated, "now, we've long acknowledged -- and this is old news, we've said this repeatedly -- that the information on yellow cake did, indeed, turn out to be incorrect."

    I find it amusing that even after Hadley, Tenet, Rice, and Fleisher all confess the 16 words were wrong, there remains to this day people committed to the insane notion that Hussein was seeking Uranium, despite the fact that to this day, there is no evidence to support that allegation.

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Obviously, the report you cite is over. 10 years old. When bush invaded March 2003, he asked the the UN inspectors headed by Hans Blix to leave the country.
    Yes, and his accounts of things sound as if he is "unsure" at best. Lots of "I didn't thinks . . ."

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    Re: Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    On the contrary, I have nothing invested and have spoken publicly on the matter.
    Perhaps you don't understand the context of my use of the word "invested".
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