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    Re: Was the civil war worth it all

    One thing I think we need to put into context of the time on this threat was back during those days, people thought of themselves as being from the state they were born in and not America. They called themselves Georgians, Virginians, New Yorkers, not Americans. Which ever state you were from held your loyalty much more than to the United States as a whole.

    It wasn’t until the Spanish American War that we actually started to think of ourselves as Americans instead as Georgians, Alabamans, Delawareans, and Marylanders etc. WWI pushed that thinking along and finally during WWII we finally looked at ourselves as Americans and not being just from the state we were from.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Was the civil war worth it all

    If I understand it correctly, each state also had in a sense its own unique ruling group of the rich and powerful that basically ran their state how they wished.

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    Re: Was the civil war worth it all

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    One thing I think we need to put into context of the time on this threat was back during those days, people thought of themselves as being from the state they were born in and not America. They called themselves Georgians, Virginians, New Yorkers, not Americans. Which ever state you were from held your loyalty much more than to the United States as a whole.

    It wasn’t until the Spanish American War that we actually started to think of ourselves as Americans instead as Georgians, Alabamans, Delawareans, and Marylanders etc. WWI pushed that thinking along and finally during WWII we finally looked at ourselves as Americans and not being just from the state we were from.
    Mississippi was brutally honest about the whole thing in their Declaration of Secession. They needed slaves in order to continue their way of life.
    Declaration of Causes of Secession

    Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin.
    Let's put ourselves in thier mind for a moment. You live in the mid-1800's, education ends around 5th grade, if that. There is no TV, books are scarce, honest news does not exist, traveling anywhere more than a few miles from home is not likely. All you know is what you are told and what you see around you. You're told that Blacks come from the jungles of Africa and that they are impervious to heat. They are also not human. So...? You buy it.

    Hell, even today, in the age of TV, the Internet and access to a million pages of documented historical fact, people down there still tend to believe more what they hear and see around them than accept facts which conflict with their long held beliefs. It is what it is.

    So, yeah. A war to set them straight was needed. Sometimes, I think that maybe another one should not be out of the question either.

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    Re: Was the civil war worth it all

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Mississippi was brutally honest about the whole thing in their Declaration of Secession. They needed slaves in order to continue their way of life.
    Declaration of Causes of Secession



    Let's put ourselves in thier mind for a moment. You live in the mid-1800's, education ends around 5th grade, if that. There is no TV, books are scarce, honest news does not exist, traveling anywhere more than a few miles from home is not likely. All you know is what you are told and what you see around you. You're told that Blacks come from the jungles of Africa and that they are impervious to heat. They are also not human. So...? You buy it.

    Hell, even today, in the age of TV, the Internet and access to a million pages of documented historical fact, people down there still tend to believe more what they hear and see around them than accept facts which conflict with their long held beliefs. It is what it is.

    So, yeah. A war to set them straight was needed. Sometimes, I think that maybe another one should not be out of the question either.
    Yes, most people who only stay around home and have never visited other parts of the world or even the U.S. do believe what they are told and hear. They stereotype, a lot of times the stereotype is completely opposite of the truth. Long held beliefs are very hard to get rid of. Even to some when they know they are not true, but it is easy to continue on believing and going along with your peers than challenging them.

    As for another war, I don't think so.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Was the civil war worth it all

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Yes, most people who only stay around home and have never visited other parts of the world or even the U.S. do believe what they are told and hear. They stereotype, a lot of times the stereotype is completely opposite of the truth. Long held beliefs are very hard to get rid of. Even to some when they know they are not true, but it is easy to continue on believing and going along with your peers than challenging them.

    As for another war, I don't think so.
    I was just venting.

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    Re: Was the civil war worth it all

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    I was just venting.
    LOL, not a problem. Sometimes it is good to vent.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Was the civil war worth it all

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    I'm glad you were given the final say on that...
    If you want to debate that, be my guest. Just keep in mind that no lawyer or historian would ever argue that Ft. Sumter was part of the Confederacy, and no international court would support the Confederacy's invasion if it happened the way it did today.
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    Re: Was the civil war worth it all

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    If I understand it correctly, each state also had in a sense its own unique ruling group of the rich and powerful that basically ran their state how they wished.
    Yeah, states could be as tyrannical and undemocratic as they wanted until the passage of the Fourteenth Amendment.
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    Re: Was the civil war worth it all

    The cause for fighting the war was better than most wars that are fought. It was to bring freedom and liberty to a population deprived of those things. Besides, if it hadn't ended slavery, like the rest of the Europe did, it would have never ended up being a world power. Why? because slavery is generally an economic pit.

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