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    Re: Was the civil war worth it all

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    My thoughts on what would have happened if we had let the South secede was a best case scenario and of course there were a hundred different ways things could have played out but we know exactly what happened when the North chose to fight a war rather than let the South secede and it was horrific. The one thing that can't be denied though is that the South would have in very short order been shamed into abandoning slavery and when it did so on its own it would have been a far less brutal process. The KKK was founded because the South lost and the lynchings and murders that followed were a direct result of forcing abolition on a culture that was not ready for it. To me this is evidence that if the war was fought to end slavery as so many are so adamant about it was fought for nothing and created as many bad results as good in that regard. Sometimes patience really is a virtue and the North could have embargoed the South and urged other countries to do so too instead of launching one of the most bloody wars in history.
    Embargos in the modern time have proven to be so productive and influential.

    I like a movie I have seen recently, "The Confederate States of America." It asks the question, what if the south had won the war. I think it is closer to the reality than many here that have theorized the demise of slavery organically. Things like slavery only get destroyed by necessity, never out of the kindness of the oppressor.

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    Re: Was the civil war worth it all

    Quote Originally Posted by Slateriesling View Post
    Embargos in the modern time have proven to be so productive and influential.

    I like a movie I have seen recently, "The Confederate States of America." It asks the question, what if the south had won the war. I think it is closer to the reality than many here that have theorized the demise of slavery organically. Things like slavery only get destroyed by necessity, never out of the kindness of the oppressor.
    Hollywood history.

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    Re: Was the civil war worth it all

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Hollywood history.
    And quite a funny movie if one can view it in that light.

    Face it, we are delving into hypotheticals that are as wide open as can be. What would have happened if the Civil War didn't happen? Who the hell knows, and any attempt to claim a definitive knowledge is insane. Way to many variables in that can of worms.

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    Re: Was the civil war worth it all

    Quote Originally Posted by Slateriesling View Post
    And quite a funny movie if one can view it in that light.

    Face it, we are delving into hypotheticals that are as wide open as can be. What would have happened if the Civil War didn't happen? Who the hell knows, and any attempt to claim a definitive knowledge is insane. Way to many variables in that can of worms.
    I'm just saying if you think you are going to get anything but liberal propoganda from Hollywood you are mistaken.

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    Re: Was the civil war worth it all

    Since the OP is based upon speculating of the future, a war between the North and the South was inevitable - and the lose of life would have been substantially greater and the treatment of slaves worse, with the treatment of the South worse since instead it would have been a conquered nation.

    The North was a growing industrial power, with the South committed to agriculture. It is the history of the United States to engage in wars of conquest for land if it believed such a conquest possible in North America. The North would have used worsening treatment of slaves to invade and conquer the South - as a separate nation - for which Southerns would have thereafter be treated as the British treated the Irish in that era.

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    Re: Was the civil war worth it all

    Quote Originally Posted by Eynon View Post
    I'll go there...so the premise is that the US stays out of Europe during WW2? ok so then:
    -Red Army still wins.
    -Hilter still winds up in a ditch on fire.
    -The longer war weakens the Soviets even more.
    -The weaker Soviet Union stays out of Asia.
    -US focuses more on Pacific.
    -Soviet puppet states of France and Holland are not allowed to re-occupy their Asian possessions.
    -Nationalists defeat Communists in China.
    -Korea is unified under an American backed government.
    -No Korea War, No Great-leap Forward, No Vietnam War, no Cambodian Kill Fields.
    -Millions of lives are saved.
    -backpacking across the recently liberalized european continent is cheaper.
    Without the USA in the war effort, the UK would have fallen, leaving Russia on a 2 front war with Germany and Japan - both with substantially greater technical abilities. Germany and Japan would have jointly become the 2 nuclear powers of the world.

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    Re: Was the civil war worth it all

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    lulz

    It's almost amusing that anyone should still believe it was about freeing slaves.

    Christ.

    That message is no different than holocaust deniers.
    The South declared independent and attacked a Northern Fort specifically believing the free-states would soon gain a majority and outlaw slavery.
    To claim the Civil War was not about slavery is so wrong the motive of such a statement certainly is suspect.

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    Re: Was the civil war worth it all

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    That message is no different than holocaust deniers.
    Apples and oranges, dude.

    The South declared independent and attacked a Northern Fort specifically believing the free-states would soon gain a majority and outlaw slavery.
    To claim the Civil War was not about slavery is so wrong the motive of such a statement certainly is suspect.
    Well, it was certainly the justification.

    Conflicts generally require a pretext.

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    Re: Was the civil war worth it all

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I'm just saying if you think you are going to get anything but liberal propoganda from Hollywood you are mistaken.
    I don't buy into the old "liberal Hollywood media" bull**** anymore. So I guess I am "mistaken."

    I have watched plenty of "conservative Hollywood media" films as well and I often enjoy their fantasy as much as the next.

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    Re: Was the civil war worth it all

    Quote Originally Posted by Slateriesling View Post
    I don't buy into the old "liberal Hollywood media" bull**** anymore. So I guess I am "mistaken."

    I have watched plenty of "conservative Hollywood media" films as well and I often enjoy their fantasy as much as the next.
    Nice dog, brah.

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