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    Re: Was the civil war worth it all

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    It seems rather clear the Confederacy as a nation would have sided with Germany. Although slavery ended in the South via the Civil War, widespread total bigotry against non-white, non-Christians certainly overwhelmingly dominated Southern society in the 1930s.

    German Empire was probably a lot less bigoted than the British or French Empires. They really didn't pick up da master-race thing until after WW1.

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    Re: Was the civil war worth it all

    If that Civil War was worth it, then certainly other issues will arise that will justify another civil war.

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    Re: Was the civil war worth it all

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    It was worth it given that civil war seemed to be what was required to end slavery.

    If they could have ended slavery without having war that would have been preferable, but the South decided to act like a little bitch. Obviously, I would prefer that over 600,000 people not had to die over some bull****.

    *Anybody who's planning on responding to me with some revisionist "but the war wasn't even about slavery" nonsense can move on. Most, if not all, of seceding states listed slavery as their primary concerns and all of the "other" reasons people give for the South wanting to secede from economics to states rights were based in slavery as well.

    **Anybody who's planning on responding to me with some "but the South tried to resolve their differences peacefully, the North got us into this" nonsense can move on too. The South wanted to keep its slaves and it also wanted to secede which isn't permissible, so the North had to shut that **** down. And for those who had to do a double take, you read it right: secession wasn't permissible. Read Texas v. White for more information and if you've got a problem with that, take it up with the Supreme Court.
    Abraham Lincoln Said the following: "My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that.

    Also when Lincoln issued his Emancipation Proclamation freeing the slaves, it only applied to the Southern states. Missouri, Kentucky, Deleware and Maryland, slave holding states that remained in the Union were exempted from it.
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    Re: Was the civil war worth it all

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    IMO if the south had been allowed the right of secession slavery would have been abolished there very early in the 20th century anyway and what we would have now is two independent nations where we now have just the USA. I'm sure we would have been very close allies and quite possibly even become one nation again so I have to wonder if the civil war was really worth the carnage...
    It was worth it when considering the basic human rights of those viewed as only three fifths of a person. To put in my two cents on the event, it could have been avoided, had the issue of slavery been addressed during the writing of the Constitution, but instead, they pushed the issue to the side and compromised until compromise was no longer an option. The situation was poorly handled by both the abolishionists and the southern states, making war unavoidable.

    Overall, I think the only option available is to separate the US into two separate federations. The rift is too deep, and neither north, nor south will ever get along. We are two entirely different cultures who are forced to put up with each other's ****. That's not a healthy relationship.
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    Re: Was the civil war worth it all

    lulz

    It's almost amusing that anyone should still believe it was about freeing slaves.

    Christ.

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    Re: Was the civil war worth it all

    My thoughts on what would have happened if we had let the South secede was a best case scenario and of course there were a hundred different ways things could have played out but we know exactly what happened when the North chose to fight a war rather than let the South secede and it was horrific. The one thing that can't be denied though is that the South would have in very short order been shamed into abandoning slavery and when it did so on its own it would have been a far less brutal process. The KKK was founded because the South lost and the lynchings and murders that followed were a direct result of forcing abolition on a culture that was not ready for it. To me this is evidence that if the war was fought to end slavery as so many are so adamant about it was fought for nothing and created as many bad results as good in that regard. Sometimes patience really is a virtue and the North could have embargoed the South and urged other countries to do so too instead of launching one of the most bloody wars in history.

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    Re: Was the civil war worth it all

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    My thoughts on what would have happened if we had let the South secede was a best case scenario and of course there were a hundred different ways things could have played out but we know exactly what happened when the North chose to fight a war rather than let the South secede and it was horrific. The one thing that can't be denied though is that the South would have in very short order been shamed into abandoning slavery and when it did so on its own it would have been a far less brutal process. The KKK was founded because the South lost and the lynchings and murders that followed were a direct result of forcing abolition on a culture that was not ready for it. To me this is evidence that if the war was fought to end slavery as so many are so adamant about it was fought for nothing and created as many bad results as good in that regard. Sometimes patience really is a virtue and the North could have embargoed the South and urged other countries to do so too instead of launching one of the most bloody wars in history.
    I read a book back in my high schools days in the early 60's entitled, "If the South had won the Civil War," by Mac Kinlay Kantor who won the Pulitzer Prize for his other book, "Andersonville." I just received another copy of it and will re-read it again. If I remember it right, Kantor had Texas seceding from the victorious CSA due to financial difficulties. But later on the three countries of the U.S. the CSA and Texas would re-unite.

    I am usually not into these what if books, but threads like this one and having read it once, I am going to read it again.
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    Re: Was the civil war worth it all

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Abraham Lincoln Said the following: "My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that.”

    Also when Lincoln issued his Emancipation Proclamation freeing the slaves, it only applied to the Southern states. Missouri, Kentucky, Deleware and Maryland, slave holding states that remained in the Union were exempted from it.
    I knew I forgot something on my original post.

    ***Anybody's who planning on responding to me by referencing that overused quote by Lincoln that they think demonstrates that the civil war wasn't about slavery can move on. First, I find it funny that, while most of us acknowledge that politicians say things that are inauthentic for political purposes, the people who use that quote by Lincoln treat it like its veracity is unquestionable. Second, I find it funny the people who reference that quote conveniently ignore all the other quotes in which Lincoln expressed clear opposition to slavery. Funny how they only choose the quote that fits their revisionist agenda. Third, nothing Lincoln said changes the fact the Civil War was about slavery no matter how hard you revisionists try.

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    Re: Was the civil war worth it all

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I knew I forgot something on my original post.

    ***Anybody's who planning on responding to me by referencing that overused quote by Lincoln that they think demonstrates that the civil war wasn't about slavery can move on. First, I find it funny that, while most of us acknowledge that politicians say things that are inauthentic for political purposes, the people who use that quote by Lincoln treat it like its veracity is unquestionable. Second, I find it funny the people who reference that quote conveniently ignore all the other quotes in which Lincoln expressed clear opposition to slavery. Funny how they only choose the quote that fits their revisionist agenda. Third, nothing Lincoln said changes the fact the Civil War was about slavery no matter how hard you revisionists try.
    So basically you are saying, you wanted to post your thought and didn't want anyone to respond to them. So be it.
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    Re: Was the civil war worth it all

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I read a book back in my high schools days in the early 60's entitled, "If the South had won the Civil War," by Mac Kinlay Kantor who won the Pulitzer Prize for his other book, "Andersonville." I just received another copy of it and will re-read it again. If I remember it right, Kantor had Texas seceding from the victorious CSA due to financial difficulties. But later on the three countries of the U.S. the CSA and Texas would re-unite.

    I am usually not into these what if books, but threads like this one and having read it once, I am going to read it again.
    That really sounds interesting, think I'll read it too.

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