The OP said nothing of the kind.So the OP claims that 4,000,000 slaves - and another 4-8,000,000 being slaves (slaves didn't tend to have long lifespans) being treated as slaves, beaten, raped, killed at will - all those don't count because they weren't human - they were just slaves.
So the deaths of white people, large numbers of white people, the vast majority of which were in no way wealthy and did not own slaves, is not to be mourned, if I take your meaning correctly.And he so CRIES over a million white people dying. Died because slave owners were the wealthiest people in the USA and they liked being the wealthiest, wanted slaves and wanted their own slave country too. So a million people died because of people of the opinion of the OP.
Given the level of misrepresentation you've already brought to the discussion I'm not inclined to believe you.VERY SICKENING. Evil perspective. But not suprising given the OP also urged deliberately wanting and allowing people with HIV/AIDS to die as punishment for their immorality. He has made his hatred of anyone with any religious beliefs well known too.
Mind reading usually just betrays one's own secret thoughts and attitudes.The Civil War stopped the formation of a massive slave nation. I think that is what the OP laments.
Has the OP missed posting any bigotries he has?
Having said that, the Civil War was obviously worth it on a number of levels. Not only was slavery abolished but the executive branch was strengthened and the nation as a whole was greatly strengthened, which was a great advantage when it came time to fight WWII. I doubt that America, democracy, or freedom would have survived otherwise.
“We do not believe any group of men adequate enough or wise enough to operate without scrutiny or without criticism. We know that the only way to avoid error is to detect it, that the only way to detect it is to be free to inquire. We know that in secrecy error undetected will flourish and subvert”. – J Robert Oppenheimer.
When only global government leaders can engage in an act of war (not citizens)....then every war...would come much closer to being worth having.
A thousand times yes.
"I am not among those who fear the people. They and not the rich, are our dependence for continued freedom." -- Thomas Jefferson, 1816 "[F]acts are before ideas." -- Mikhail Bakunin, 1882
There would be no different than if I claimed WWII was not worth it because eventually Nazism would have failed, ultimately all nations would have regained their freedom and ultimately the killing of Jews would eventually stop... with all that happening within a few decades and no more than 1 or 2 more generations - and - because I speculate all that - I claim WWII was an unnecessary waste of lives and resources.
Such is absurd and declares enslaving nations, people and genocide doesn't really matter much if you believe that will not continue for all eternity - as if when you are confident that within only half a century more or so it will end. Slavery is the ultimate evil. The number to suffer and die as slaves in his model? 4,000,000. Now many more imported, enslaved, and enslaved from birth within his time frame? 2-4,000,000 more - for which he shrugs his shoulders at all that... not even worth consideration to him. They were just cattle.
How many decades are you willing for you, your children and all your relative now and born being slaves with no legal protections whatsoever?
The OP is well known for bigotries. Raging that people with HIV/AIDS should not only be allowed to die, but deserve to die. Raging incessantly against people with religious bigotries... etc. The consistencies of the OP and the history is relevant - and to claim otherwise is to claim a person cannot claim the KKK is a racist organization by looking to it's history. The OPer has a history on this forum. So his OP trivializing blacks in slavery and that entire generation, an entire next generation born, and all those also seized in African all are just ... well, NOTHING. He ONLY counts white people who died in war. Not the millions dying in slavery.
At least those who died in war died as free men - and they were in war at least as the result of a Democratic Republic. Not one slave voted to be a slave. Not to be born as a slave. Not to be worked as a slave. Not to be beaten, whipped, raped, inpregnated and murdered as a slave. Not to be captures and pressed into slavery. Not to die as a slave.
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Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.
-Red Army still wins.
-Hilter still winds up in a ditch on fire.
-The longer war weakens the Soviets even more.
-The weaker Soviet Union stays out of Asia.
-US focuses more on Pacific.
-Soviet puppet states of France and Holland are not allowed to re-occupy their Asian possessions.
-Nationalists defeat Communists in China.
-Korea is unified under an American backed government.
-No Korea War, No Great-leap Forward, No Vietnam War, no Cambodian Kill Fields.
-Millions of lives are saved.
-backpacking across the recently liberalized european continent is cheaper.
Irrelevance. It was never a question of merit.
Capitalism would not be denied.