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    Re: Was the civil war worth it all

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    We're talking about a couple of generations that were prevented from being born and dying as slaves.

    At the start of the civil war the slave population in the US was around 4 million individuals and made up nearly 12% of the total US population.


    Yeah, where would we have been without Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and Barrack Obama

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    Re: Was the civil war worth it all

    How can so many people say yes? Look at all of the deaths? Look at how the South was destroyed and did not ever really recover. Look at the fruits: the income tax, the draft, the suspension of habeas corpus. Look at how it has ended any restraints that the states had over the federal government. No, by far it was the most miserable war that Lincoln took this country into. And it wasn't really a Civil War. The South formed a new nation. There was no aggression, no violence. They left peacefully. The North, on the other hand, now there were the aggressors on a peaceful nation.

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    Re: Was the civil war worth it all

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    The cause for fighting the war was better than most wars that are fought. It was to bring freedom and liberty to a population deprived of those things. Besides, if it hadn't ended slavery, like the rest of the Europe did, it would have never ended up being a world power. Why? because slavery is generally an economic pit.
    2 problems.
    1. The war was not about slavery. Not at all.
    2. The rest of the world ended slavery peacefully (except for Haiti, and look at how they turned out).

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    Re: Was the civil war worth it all

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    IMO if the south had been allowed the right of secession slavery would have been abolished there very early in the 20th century anyway and what we would have now is two independent nations where we now have just the USA. I'm sure we would have been very close allies and quite possibly even become one nation again so I have to wonder if the civil war was really worth the carnage.

    "The approximately 10,455 military engagements, some devastating to human life and some nearly bloodless, plus naval clashes, accidents, suicides, sicknesses, murders, and executions resulted in total casualties of 1,094,453 during the Civil War. The Federals lost 110,100 killed in action and mortally wounded, and another 224,580 to disease. The Confederates lost approximately 94,000 as a result of battle and another 164,000 to disease. Even if one survived a wound, any projectile that hit bone in either an arm or a leg almost invariably necessitated amputation. The best estimate of Federal army personnel wounded is 275,175; naval personnel wounded, 2,226. Surviving Confederate records indicate 194,026 wounded.
    In dollars and cents, the U.S. government estimated Jan. 1863 that the war was costing $2.5 million daily. A final official estimate in 1879 totaled $6,190,000,000. The Confederacy spent perhaps $2,099,808,707. By 1906 another $3.3 billion already had been spent by the U.S. government on Northerners' pensions and other veterans' benefits for former Federal soldiers. Southern states and private philanthropy provided benefits to the Confederate veterans. The amount spent on benefits eventually well exceeded the war's original cost.
    Inflation affected both Northern and Southern assets but hit those of the Confederacy harder. Northern currency fluctuated in value, and at its lowest point $2.59 in Federal paper money equaled $1 in gold. The Confederate currency so declined in purchasing power that eventually $60-$70 equaled a gold dollar.
    The physical devastation, almost all of it in the South, was enormous: burned or plundered homes, pillaged countryside, untold losses in crops and farm animals, ruined buildings and bridges, devastated college campuses, and neglected roads all left the South in ruins."

    Cost Of The American Civil War
    Worth every bit. We would not be where we are today if it were not for the war. Things would be dramatically different, probably for the worst. And more than likely your scenario would've never happened.
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    Re: Was the civil war worth it all

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightning View Post
    Worth every bit. We would not be where we are today if it were not for the war. Things would be dramatically different, probably for the worst. And more than likely your scenario would've never happened.
    It's anybodies guess what would have happened without the civil war but we know exactly what happened with it and it was arguably the worst war in history.

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    Re: Was the civil war worth it all

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    It's anybodies guess what would have happened without the civil war but we know exactly what happened with it and it was arguably the worst war in history.
    You're absolutely right.
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