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    Is media silence covering up realities about ObamaCare?

    The media covered what ObamaCare (Affordable Health Care Act) was summarily said to be going to do - with us remembering the actual bill was not available to read before voting on it.

    So the media presented ObamaCare as Obama told it was:

    1. No new taxes
    2. Would provide affordable coverage with no discrimination against pre-existing conditions
    3. Would reduce insurance coverage prices.
    4. Everyone will have health insurance.

    Thousands and thousands of hours on the media lamenting people with pre-existing conditions unable to get health insurance - and how wonderful assuring coverage for such people would be!!!

    But as the realities unfold, the media has gone silent on the actually realities of what ObamaCare does - and doesn't - do.

    1. Never so much as mentioned, ObamaCare adds a 3.8% on the sale of any asset over $200,000.00 such as a home. Since homes factor GREATLY into people's retirement - this a far greater TAX hit on people's assets than the 10% tax on bank account assets proposed in Cyprus.

    2. Pre-existing coverage has been cancelled. That part of ObamaCare - its BIGGEST SELLING POINT - has been shutdown by the Obama Administration because after only 130,000 people it is financially broke.

    3. Health Insurance premiums are skyrocketing.

    4. 10s of millions will NOT be covered under ObamaCare AND many, many employers have made it clear they will either shift more employees to part-time employment (the main source of the boasted of "new jobs created") or will just pay the fine and opt out of insuring employees for how expensive ObamaCare insurance will be.

    Media told us the myths and promises incessantly - but now puts a veil of silence over the actual true realities.

    And of this - the media is essentially silent. It media silence for the purpose of covering up the true realities of ObamaCare?
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    Re: Is media silence covering up realities about ObamaCare?

    Mandating the private sector with providing universal health care was moronic. The only way to have efficient universal health care is through a single payer system. But the likelyhood of that ever happening in the US is slim.
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    Re: Is media silence covering up realities about ObamaCare?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The media covered what ObamaCare (Affordable Health Care Act) was summarily said to be going to do - with us remembering the actual bill was not available to read before voting on it.

    So the media presented ObamaCare as Obama told it was:

    1. No new taxes
    2. Would provide affordable coverage with no discrimination against pre-existing conditions
    3. Would reduce insurance coverage prices.
    4. Everyone will have health insurance.

    Thousands and thousands of hours on the media lamenting people with pre-existing conditions unable to get health insurance - and how wonderful assuring coverage for such people would be!!!

    But as the realities unfold, the media has gone silent on the actually realities of what ObamaCare does - and doesn't - do.

    1. Never so much as mentioned, ObamaCare adds a 3.8% on the sale of any asset over $200,000.00 such as a home. Since homes factor GREATLY into people's retirement - this a far greater TAX hit on people's assets than the 10% tax on bank account assets proposed in Cyprus.

    2. Pre-existing coverage has been cancelled. That part of ObamaCare - its BIGGEST SELLING POINT - has been shutdown by the Obama Administration because after only 130,000 people it is financially broke.

    3. Health Insurance premiums are skyrocketing.

    4. 10s of millions will NOT be covered under ObamaCare AND many, many employers have made it clear they will either shift more employees to part-time employment (the main source of the boasted of "new jobs created") or will just pay the fine and opt out of insuring employees for how expensive ObamaCare insurance will be.

    Media told us the myths and promises incessantly - but now puts a veil of silence over the actual true realities.

    And of this - the media is essentially silent. It media silence for the purpose of covering up the true realities of ObamaCare?
    Obama care doesn't fully kick in until January of next year. If it is a bad as what you are saying, that give 10 months for the electorate to get peeved at it. Thus being a big election issue and perhaps another 2010 happens. Time will tell. Myself, I don't know whether it is good or bad. In fact it may be better than sex and peanut butter. But the way it was passed, it made Pelosi and Reid look like tyrants and they paid the price in November of 2010.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Is media silence covering up realities about ObamaCare?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The media covered what ObamaCare (Affordable Health Care Act) was summarily said to be going to do - with us remembering the actual bill was not available to read before voting on it.

    So the media presented ObamaCare as Obama told it was:

    1. No new taxes
    2. Would provide affordable coverage with no discrimination against pre-existing conditions
    3. Would reduce insurance coverage prices.
    4. Everyone will have health insurance.

    Thousands and thousands of hours on the media lamenting people with pre-existing conditions unable to get health insurance - and how wonderful assuring coverage for such people would be!!!

    But as the realities unfold, the media has gone silent on the actually realities of what ObamaCare does - and doesn't - do.

    1. Never so much as mentioned, ObamaCare adds a 3.8% on the sale of any asset over $200,000.00 such as a home. Since homes factor GREATLY into people's retirement - this a far greater TAX hit on people's assets than the 10% tax on bank account assets proposed in Cyprus.

    2. Pre-existing coverage has been cancelled. That part of ObamaCare - its BIGGEST SELLING POINT - has been shutdown by the Obama Administration because after only 130,000 people it is financially broke.

    3. Health Insurance premiums are skyrocketing.

    4. 10s of millions will NOT be covered under ObamaCare AND many, many employers have made it clear they will either shift more employees to part-time employment (the main source of the boasted of "new jobs created") or will just pay the fine and opt out of insuring employees for how expensive ObamaCare insurance will be.

    Media told us the myths and promises incessantly - but now puts a veil of silence over the actual true realities.

    And of this - the media is essentially silent. It media silence for the purpose of covering up the true realities of ObamaCare?
    I can see the possibilities of a media coverup

    However I'm not sure the media is intelligent enough

    or driven enough to have looked for these things

    that most of us 'great unwashed" saw going in!!

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    Re: Is media silence covering up realities about ObamaCare?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The media covered what ObamaCare (Affordable Health Care Act) was summarily said to be going to do - with us remembering the actual bill was not available to read before voting on it.

    So the media presented ObamaCare as Obama told it was:

    1. No new taxes
    2. Would provide affordable coverage with no discrimination against pre-existing conditions
    3. Would reduce insurance coverage prices.
    4. Everyone will have health insurance.
    That is all just made up nonsense.

    Thousands and thousands of hours on the media lamenting people with pre-existing conditions unable to get health insurance - and how wonderful assuring coverage for such people would be!!!

    But as the realities unfold, the media has gone silent on the actually realities of what ObamaCare does - and doesn't - do.
    Because thousands and thousands of news stories is silence.

    1. Never so much as mentioned, ObamaCare adds a 3.8% on the sale of any asset over $200,000.00 such as a home. Since homes factor GREATLY into people's retirement - this a far greater TAX hit on people's assets than the 10% tax on bank account assets proposed in Cyprus.
    Fact checking is good: PolitiFact Rhode Island | Home "sales tax" e-mail surfaces again

    Damn media reporting facts...


    2. Pre-existing coverage has been cancelled. That part of ObamaCare - its BIGGEST SELLING POINT - has been shutdown by the Obama Administration because after only 130,000 people it is financially broke.
    Hey, guess what. This is a lie too. Obamacare Funding Running Low For Patients With Pre-Existing Conditions | Obamacare | Fox Nation

    Not cancelled, not taking new patients in the pool until finances get ironed out.

    3. Health Insurance premiums are skyrocketing.

    4. 10s of millions will NOT be covered under ObamaCare AND many, many employers have made it clear they will either shift more employees to part-time employment (the main source of the boasted of "new jobs created") or will just pay the fine and opt out of insuring employees for how expensive ObamaCare insurance will be.

    Media told us the myths and promises incessantly - but now puts a veil of silence over the actual true realities.

    And of this - the media is essentially silent. It media silence for the purpose of covering up the true realities of ObamaCare?
    When I fact check just the first two claims you make and they turn out to be flat out lies, I think we can just dismiss your whole bunch of nonsense. Add in that Obamacare is heavily covered and much of that coverage is of problems with the program, and you have a complete failure of a premise. Hint for the future: avoid easily uncovered lies and your presentation won't fail so badly.
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    Re: Is media silence covering up realities about ObamaCare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    That is all just made up nonsense.



    Because thousands and thousands of news stories is silence.



    Fact checking is good: PolitiFact Rhode Island | Home "sales tax" e-mail surfaces again

    Damn media reporting facts...




    Hey, guess what. This is a lie too. Obamacare Funding Running Low For Patients With Pre-Existing Conditions | Obamacare | Fox Nation

    Not cancelled, not taking new patients in the pool until finances get ironed out.



    When I fact check just the first two claims you make and they turn out to be flat out lies, I think we can just dismiss your whole bunch of nonsense. Add in that Obamacare is heavily covered and much of that coverage is of problems with the program, and you have a complete failure of a premise. Hint for the future: avoid easily uncovered lies and your presentation won't fail so badly.


    Your "proof" isn't proof at all. Reading YOUR source, it confirms there is a 3.8% tax for home asset value at sale at certain values.
    FACT: It is a 3.8% tax - so Obama declaring there was no tax WAS A LIE. Any you are lying claiming my statement is false. Obama said there is no new tax with ObamaCare - that was a lie and it a lie for you to deny it - or accuse me of posting a lie.

    And your source claiming people are not being denied coverage for pre-existing conditions, they are just being denied coverage for pre-existing conditions until Obama works it out is absurd backward logic - no different than saying "people aren't starving to death, they are just starving to death until someone finds them food."
    FACT: The Obama Administration is now denying coverage to 100% of people applying for coverage for a pre-existing condition.
    Or are you claiming Obama is going to raise them from the dead?
    IN FACT: 100% of people with pre-existing conditions are now being denied coverage.

    It is FACT that millions of people will not be covered
    IT IS FACT that it is cheaper for employers to pay the "fine" - and it costs nothing to employers who shift to part-time employees.

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    Re: Is media silence covering up realities about ObamaCare?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Your "proof" isn't proof at all. Reading YOUR source, it confirms there is a 3.8% tax for home asset value at sale at certain values.
    FACT: It is a 3.8% tax - so Obama declaring there was no tax WAS A LIE. Any you are lying claiming my statement is false. Obama said there is no new tax with ObamaCare - that was a lie and it a lie for you to deny it - or accuse me of posting a lie.
    Can you show me where Obama said there was no new taxes in Obamacare. I notice you have tried hard to not document anything you have actually said, and I suspect there is good reason for it.

    And your source claiming people are not being denied coverage for pre-existing conditions, they are just being denied coverage for pre-existing conditions until Obama works it out is absurd backward logic - no different than saying "people aren't starving to death, they are just starving to death until someone finds them food."
    FACT: The Obama Administration is now denying coverage to 100% of people applying for coverage for a pre-existing condition.
    Or are you claiming Obama is going to raise them from the dead?
    IN FACT: 100% of people with pre-existing conditions are now being denied coverage.
    Well, no. States who opted into the program are not accepting new aplicants. Those ho had applied or lived in other states are either still covered or can be covered. Further, the program was inteded as a short term program, until Obamacare kicks in next year. High Risk Pools for Health Coverage, State and Federal (State Implementation Report)

    You might want to find some actual facts. So far yours have failed to be factual.

    It is FACT that millions of people will not be covered
    IT IS FACT that it is cheaper for employers to pay the "fine" - and it costs nothing to employers who shift to part-time employees.
    No one to my knowledge has claimed that there would be universal coverage. It is a fact that for some businesses it will be cheaper to pay a fine, but for the majority of businesses it will be better to provide insurance. For those people who might lose insurance through there employer, they have options through the state to get coverage.

    So what we have is a bunch of nonfactual "facts" you claimed, with no sources, and which do not stand up to any level of scrutiny, and you are crying the media is not covering your made up bull****, despite massive coverage on Obamacare. Well done!
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    Re: Is media silence covering up realities about ObamaCare?

    I don't know how you can say that they haven't been silent? The mandates on businesses (even small businesses!) are unknown to most people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juiposa View Post
    Mandating the private sector with providing universal health care was moronic. The only way to have efficient universal health care is through a single payer system. But the likelihood of that ever happening in the US is slim.
    A HR Clinton/E Warren ticket in 2015 will improve the AHCA(affordable health care act), despite the efforts of our conservatives...
    IMO, all we really have to do is model the German Health Care....its "follow the leader".
    Also, using our VA as an ideal would be so much better....yes! I know that the VA is far from perfect....but neither is todays health care system..
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    Re: Is media silence covering up realities about ObamaCare?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    I don't know how you can say that they haven't been silent? The mandates on businesses (even small businesses!) are unknown to most people.
    Then they have not been following the news since it is widely reported. Of course the OP here was a bunch of made up ****, so it's no wonder the media was not following it.
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