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    Re: Was Invading Iraq the Right Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Worse yet, at that time, America and the rest of the world was powerless.


    Explain how America was powerless.

    This should be interesting.

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    Re: Was Invading Iraq the Right Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    WIN WHAT?
    The counterinsurgency there.

    Convincing the people of Afghanistan to run their country the way we want them to rather than the way they want to? That was a failure in Vietnam, and it is a failure in Afghanistan.
    No. Convincing the people of Afghanistan to combine against the Taliban. Proper counterinsugency doctrine worked in Vietnam, it worked in Iraq, and it has worked where applied in Afghanistan. But it requires commitment and a minimum of men and time. Commitment, sadly, being something that this administration lacks.

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    Re: Was Invading Iraq the Right Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    The counterinsurgency there.



    No. Convincing the people of Afghanistan to combine against the Taliban. Proper counterinsugency doctrine worked in Vietnam, it worked in Iraq, and it has worked where applied in Afghanistan. But it requires commitment and a minimum of men and time. Commitment, sadly, being something that this administration lacks.
    I'd wager that bringing anything of the "Western" world to Afghanistan is a fail to launch from the getgo............................

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    Re: Was Invading Iraq the Right Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    WIN WHAT? Convincing the people of Afghanistan to run their country the way we want them to rather than the way they want to? That was a failure in Vietnam, and it is a failure in Afghanistan.

    How about we just concentrate on solving our own problems before we continue forcing the world to operate under our doctrines.

    The only prolem with Nam was the suits in Washington lost the will to fight and win.
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    Re: Was Invading Iraq the Right Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post

    The only prolem with Nam was the suits in Washington lost the will to fight and win.
    You were not satisfied with 58,000 dead soldiers, NP?


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    Re: Was Invading Iraq the Right Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    You were not satisfied with 58,000 dead soldiers, NP?
    I'm not satisfied with a forced loss. Once Abrams was in and Westmoreland was out, MAC-V actually began to pursue intelligent and effective counterinsurgency doctrine, with impressive effects. But by then it was politically too late, and Washington wanted us out.

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    Re: Was Invading Iraq the Right Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Not that we had anything to worry about anyway.



    Yet it doesn't anger you that they basically died for nothing... as there were no WMD's, not even a potato gun...

    And don't give me this "Oh well Iraq is better off now" because that's bloody debatable.

    Saddam was a bad guy, and I'm glad he met his fate but life for the average person in Iraq is pretty damn bad either way, sectarian violence has made their lives a living hell.

    I knew an Iraqi girl who's dad was murdered by militants following the invasion.
    Everyone on the Left loves, loves, loves to focus on the WMD part of this story (even though the entire world believed he had them) including Bill Clinton. But that wasn't the only part of this story, not even the main part. He defied UN weapons inspection requirements that he signed up and agreed to after Desert Storm. He mislead inspectors, hampered their work, and defied orders to let them in certain facilities. He submitted false documentation to the UN, and disobeyed UN resolutions voted on unanimously be the Security Council. He was given years to come clean, YEARS! After all that, after constant threats that he would be subject to military force if he didn't comply.........President Bush, with the overwhelming support of Congress, said enough is enough and applied that force.

    Now you people can second guess THAT all you want, but the people you voted for signed up to it with their names. Now own it! Shall we now go into the rape and pillaging that went on inside Iraq for decaded, and the fraud perpetrated by Iraq during the UN Oil for Food program? Anyone want to talk about why Germany and France were against this, hmmmmmmmmmm? Yeah they were both selling weapons to Iraq that just purchase right up to the time of the invasion.

    Now as far as the WMDs go, everyone knows that he fooled the world on that one, and the reason was that he was scared that Iran would find out he didn't have the weapons to threaten them with. That's why he worked so hard to move things around, hamper the UN and basically put on an elaborate charade about the WMDs.

    As far as these astronomical numbers of Iraqi dead, I want to see legitimate sources for that. I want to see proof that the Allied forces killed a half million Iraqis. It took all of two weeks to make it to Baghdad fighting the Iraqi military. Then came the rebuilding portion and rebuilding their military part of the mission. Show me the demonstrated killing program setup by the Allied force to kill a half million people.

    And btw Jet, knowing a Iraqi girl that was killed doesn't give you jack **** for credibility on this. None whatsoever. Appeal to Sympathy fallacy.
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    Re: Was Invading Iraq the Right Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    The counterinsurgency there.



    No. Convincing the people of Afghanistan to combine against the Taliban. Proper counterinsugency doctrine worked in Vietnam, it worked in Iraq, and it has worked where applied in Afghanistan. But it requires commitment and a minimum of men and time. Commitment, sadly, being something that this administration lacks.
    Not to mention money.

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    Re: Was Invading Iraq the Right Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Everyone on the Left loves, loves, loves to focus on the WMD part of this story (even though the entire world believed he had them) including Bill Clinton. But that wasn't the only part of this story, not even the main part. He defied UN weapons inspection requirements that he signed up and agreed to after Desert Storm. He mislead inspectors, hampered their work, and defied orders to let them in certain facilities. He submitted false documentation to the UN, and disobeyed UN resolutions voted on unanimously be the Security Council. He was given years to come clean, YEARS! After all that, after constant threats that he would be subject to military force if he didn't comply.........President Bush, with the overwhelming support of Congress, said enough is enough and applied that force.

    Now you people can second guess THAT all you want, but the people you voted for signed up to it with their names. Now own it! Shall we now go into the rape and pillaging that went on inside Iraq for decaded, and the fraud perpetrated by Iraq during the UN Oil for Food program? Anyone want to talk about why Germany and France were against this, hmmmmmmmmmm? Yeah they were both selling weapons to Iraq that just purchase right up to the time of the invasion.

    Now as far as the WMDs go, everyone knows that he fooled the world on that one, and the reason was that he was scared that Iran would find out he didn't have the weapons to threaten them with. That's why he worked so hard to move things around, hamper the UN and basically put on an elaborate charade about the WMDs.

    As far as these astronomical numbers of Iraqi dead, I want to see legitimate sources for that. I want to see proof that the Allied forces killed a half million Iraqis. It took all of two weeks to make it to Baghdad fighting the Iraqi military. Then came the rebuilding portion and rebuilding their military part of the mission. Show me the demonstrated killing program setup by the Allied force to kill a half million people.

    And btw Jet, knowing a Iraqi girl that was killed doesn't give you jack **** for credibility on this. None whatsoever. Appeal to Sympathy fallacy.
    Bush and his people were master liars. "A lie can go around the world twice before the truth is known", Mark Twain.

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    Re: Was Invading Iraq the Right Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    The counterinsurgency there.

    No. Convincing the people of Afghanistan to combine against the Taliban. Proper counterinsugency doctrine worked in Vietnam, it worked in Iraq, and it has worked where applied in Afghanistan. But it requires commitment and a minimum of men and time. Commitment, sadly, being something that this administration lacks.


    You are not living in reality. You can't win a military war for hearts and minds at the end of a gun when the majority of both the US and the country you are trying to convince to run their government like ours is opposed to it. That is why Vietnam is still communist and Afghanistan is still tribal ruled.
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