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    Re: Was Invading Iraq the Right Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post

    I am going to keep saying it.........its easy to be a Monday Mornig QB.

    How about the 2/3 of combat Vets that thought the wars were not worth it, are they just monday morning QB'ing?

    "In a poll conducted by the Pew Research Center, only 34 percent of combat veterans said the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were worth fighting."
    Poll: 33% of veterans said wars were not worth it - Video on NBCNews.com
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    Re: Was Invading Iraq the Right Choice?

    [QUOTE=Catawba;1061601733[B]Indeed, the U.S. military should be pulled out of Afghanistan altogether, just as it should be pulled out of Iraq.[/QUOTE



    The USA should get out of Afghanistan right now.

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    Re: Was Invading Iraq the Right Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    [B]Indeed, the U.S. military should be pulled out of Afghanistan altogether, just as it should be pulled out of Iraq.[/QUOTE



    The USA should get out of Afghanistan right now.
    I agree, there will no difference in the outcome for Afghanistan whether we leave immediately or whether we leave next year, except more people on both sides will die if we wait and our debt will clime higher.
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    Re: Was Invading Iraq the Right Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The unconfirmed over-estimation of the enemy has cost us more US lives needlessly than our enemies have cost us, and it just created more enemies. Here was the conclusion of the 2008 Report by the Rand Corporation, the organization hired by the Pentagon to assess the War on Terror in Afghanistan and Iraq.

    "The Rand Corporation, a conservative think-tank originally started by the U.S. Air Force, has produced a new report entitled, "How Terrorist Groups End - Lessons for Countering al Qaida."

    "the U.S. "war on terrorism" has been a failure in combating al Qaida, and indeed, that "[a]l Qaida's resurgence should trigger a fundamental rethinking of U.S. counterterrorism strategy." In the end, Rand concludes that the U.S. should rely much more on local military forces to police their own countries, and that this "means a light U.S. military footprint or none at all." If the politicians take this study seriously, and they should, they should abandon current plans for an increase in U.S. troop involvement in Afghanistan. Indeed, the U.S. military should be pulled out of Afghanistan altogether, just as it should be pulled out of Iraq."


    People need to get a grip on their fears and stop acting in a counter productive manner.
    You keep talking about people that need to get a grip on their fears but its you who keep spouting off this idealist rant of creating "new enemies". Have you ever read Osama's justification for attacking us? Basically what it says is that we need to pack our bags, get out of Saudi Arabia, stop supporting Israel and then convert to Islam. None of the theories or conclusions by the RAND corporation, whether limited war theory going back to Vietnam or 2008 theory of supporting local police or military, are going to make us any more likeable with this new enemy we face who essentially wants us to pack our bags. An AQ recruiter has enough tools to last a lifetime to create new enemies. Why are you so afraid of new enemies?
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    Re: Was Invading Iraq the Right Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Awesome! View Post
    You keep talking about people that need to get a grip on their fears but its you who keep spouting off this idealist rant of creating "new enemies". Have you ever read Osama's justification for attacking us? Basically what it says is that we need to pack our bags, get out of Saudi Arabia, stop supporting Israel and then convert to Islam. None of the theories or conclusions by the RAND corporation, whether limited war theory going back to Vietnam or 2008 theory of supporting local police or military, are going to make us any more likeable with this new enemy we face who essentially wants us to pack our bags. An AQ recruiter has enough tools to last a lifetime to create new enemies. Why are you so afraid of new enemies?

    No, It was the results of the most detailed analysis of the war on terror that has been commissioned by the Pentagon vs the unsubstantiated opinion of anonymous internet dude.
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    Re: Was Invading Iraq the Right Choice?

    75% of America and the men currently serving as this administrations Secretaries of Defense and State both supported the decision to remove Saddam Hussein; the policy of regime removal in Iraq was bipartisan. Post regime-fall bungling created serious problems and a nigh-on failed state, which was resecured and revitalized only through the sacrifice of the Surge, a sacrifice since squandered by the current President and his advisers. Unfortunately, it is that weakness of will that will be the one of the chief legacies of Operation Iraqi Freedom. The wages of that weakness are currently being paid by Syrian civilians. Other peoples will join their ranks. The American people always thought that the war in Iraq was about Iraq, but for the people in the region (and around the rest of the world) it was about America - did it have the national will to see it's objects through? Was Osama right to have labeled the American people the "Weak Horse"? The people of Afghanistan face a future where a weak and corrupt national government abandons them to the tender mercies of violent jihad. Those who optimistically bet on us over the last decade will (one can hope) manage to flee before they get to watch their children murdered. The American people are War-Weary. Not that they are actually weary of war, mind you (an all-volunteer force means a tiny portion have shouldered that particular burden), but it's such a drag when it comes on the news, and stuff, and, like, we thought war was like, quick and easy, and stuff. Life's problems are supposed to be solved with a rock song and a montage - and if a problem can't be solved that way, maybe we can ignore it and hope it goes away. Others will suffer but, hey, at least we can hear less about war and more about what our pop-stars are doing with their private parts.

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    Re: Was Invading Iraq the Right Choice?

    As Rachael Maddow said in her documentary, "It was a war fought because of hubris"

    I think it was a total nationalistic war started by neo-con reactionaries.

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    Re: Was Invading Iraq the Right Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    As Rachael Maddow said in her documentary, "It was a war fought because of hubris"

    I think it was a total nationalistic war started by neo-con reactionaries.
    Well, no. A wide majority of the country and folks both left and right supported it in 2003. It was when the effort began to go badly that many Democrats saw partisan advantage in changing their minds - a realization that, oddly perfectly coincided with their sudden change of heart.

    Kaplan has an excellent discussion of the impact of the campaign in the balkans (and failure in rwanda) on the pre-Iraq war discussion. Maybe I'll go dig it up.

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    Re: Was Invading Iraq the Right Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I agree, there will no difference in the outcome for Afghanistan whether we leave immediately or whether we leave next year, except more people on both sides will die if we wait and our debt will clime higher.
    Well this is interesting. Catawba is correct. If we are going to just abandon the fight, better to rip off the bandaid. Either fight to win, or don't fight at all. This administrations' disastrous attempt to chart a path between those two means that more Americans die needlessly, to no purpose.

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    Re: Was Invading Iraq the Right Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Well, no. A wide majority of the country and folks both left and right supported it in 2003. It was when the effort began to go badly that many Democrats saw partisan advantage in changing their minds - a realization that, oddly perfectly coincided with their sudden change of heart.

    Kaplan has an excellent discussion of the impact of the campaign in the balkans (and failure in rwanda) on the pre-Iraq war discussion. Maybe I'll go dig it up.
    The ones who started the war and pushed the war were the ones I mentioned.

    The one who followed and supported them were dumbasses reacting to polls and nationalism/hubris.

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