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    Re: Was Invading Iraq the Right Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Awesome! View Post
    How did we let Germany invade other nations. How could they possibly rebuild their military to levels that were clearly in violation of the treaty? Because we and our allies let them. Same scenario with Saddam.
    Are you completely unaware of the the first war on Iraq where we utterly destroyed Iraq's military capability? And are you also unaware that the time in between the first war and this last one we did not allow them to rebuild their military?


    The fear is real because we are very vulnerable with our open borders. It wouldn't take much to hurt us with this new threat of terrorism regardless of how "powerful" we are.
    If you are that frightened living in the most powerful country on the planet, than maybe we should stop creating enemies? You do realize that our war on the Iraqis created more terrorists than we killed do you not?
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    Re: Was Invading Iraq the Right Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    All I did was confirm technical violations?

    I understand it may be impossible to operate outside of your agenda and ideology, but the fact is those technical violations were reported for years by IAEA inspectors, and were contained in reports submitted to the UN. Those violations were so egregious that the IAEA appealed to the UN to hold Iraq accountable for the violations. Which they did. Further, those demands then led Iraq to kick the weapons inspectors out of the country before they would allow them into places their investigations indicated were suspicious.

    And yet you only call that technical violations? I can't address delusion.

    As to the UN's conclusions, I frankly don't understand why anyone would put any weight into what the pathetic UN has concluded, given the fact they let Iraqis starve while they lined their pockets with blood money.

    I understand perfectly. You use the UN technical violations but ignore UN decision that their own technical violations did not merit an attack.

    And they were right, and you were wrong, as there were no WMD!
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    Re: Was Invading Iraq the Right Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I understand perfectly. You use the UN technical violations but ignore UN decision that their own technical violations did not merit an attack.

    And they were right, and you were wrong, as there were no WMD!
    You never learn.

    How can I be wrong, if all I have done is post the direct findings of the IAEA inspections? Are you trying to suggest their reports are fabricated, and don't exist?

    I'm thinking there are actions and events in life that must pose quite an conumdrum for you.

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    Re: Was Invading Iraq the Right Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    You never learn.

    How can I be wrong, if all I have done is post the direct findings of the IAEA inspections?
    The difference being is that you interpreted them as a threat, and you were wrong.
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    Re: Was Invading Iraq the Right Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    It's the "pretty wells" that can get you killed...Ask the Kurds.
    Not by those they weren't. And we didn't help the Kurds (BTW, we didn't because of Chalibi's betrayal -- something you should look up). We waited until the killing wasn't happening (I linked this on either this thread or the other one) and added injury to injury.

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    Re: Was Invading Iraq the Right Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The difference being is that you interpreted them as a threat, and you were wrong.
    Again, I'm not really sure why you want to put yourself on such public display.

    I didn't interpret anything, the IAEA did. I''ve provided excerpts from actual documents, and links to sites where more can be viewed.

    The carved in the stone tablet of history fact is, they were so concerned about what they had discovered, they demanded Iraq make available the sites they wanted to inspect, and got kicked out of the country as a result.

    That's in the reports. I've only presented those reports. Unlike you, I haven't offered the opinion of an ideologue.

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    Re: Was Invading Iraq the Right Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Again, I'm not really sure why you want to put yourself on such public display.

    I didn't interpret anything, the IAEA did. I''ve provided excerpts from actual documents, and links to sites where more can be viewed.

    And no where in their reports do they confirm WMD in Iraq as a threat, which is why the UN that commissioned the inspections decided it did not merit attack on Iraq.
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    Re: Was Invading Iraq the Right Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not by those they weren't. And we didn't help the Kurds (BTW, we didn't because of Chalibi's betrayal -- something you should look up). We waited until the killing wasn't happening (I linked this on either this thread or the other one) and added injury to injury.
    So now I'm told "we didn't help the Kurds". Where did I ever comment about our involvement with the Kurds? Fact, Saddam used weapons of mass destruction to massacre his own people. I'm sure we "pretty well" didn't think he would do that.

    I'm sorry, but I haven't been around Debate Politics that long. Perhaps it's always been part of the landscape here, but it seems to me there is some disconnect from reality that is going on.

    I can appreciate that one "camp" has as part of it's ideology a requirment to reject any and all ideas that go against the party line, but facts are facts.

    To try and suggest the IAEA and the UN knew there we no WMD's in Iraq is folly.

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    Re: Was Invading Iraq the Right Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    And no where in their reports do they confirm WMD in Iraq as a threat, which is why the UN that commissioned the inspections decided it did not merit attack on Iraq.


    And I'll bet if you saw a person with bombs strapped to their chest you wouldn't see them as a threat either.

    Why don't you go ahead and cling to your opinion. Everyone should have one.

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    Re: Was Invading Iraq the Right Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post


    And I'll bet if you saw a person with bombs strapped to their chest you wouldn't see them as a threat either.

    Why don't you go ahead and cling to your opinion. Everyone should have one.

    It wasn't just my opinion it was the opinion of the head of the inspection team, as well as the UN who decided the technical violation did not merit an attack on Iraq.

    And we were right! There was no WMD threat in Iraq!
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