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    Re: Was Invading Iraq the Right Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Awesome! View Post
    I was pointing out the consequences of not dealing with the threat. We were never fearful about being invaded by Germany, but were drawn into the war to support our friends, who felt Hitler could be contained through appeasement, much the same way we could be drawn into the same scenario with Saddam attacking Israel or helping terrorists develop WMDs that could hurt us at home or abroad. Your simpleton perspective of: as long as Saddam doesn't step on my soil, then we can just ignore him, is naive given the lessons from history dealing with murderous assholes...
    Germany was invading its neighboring countries. Iraq had no such capability after Desert Storm and the CIA and the Pentagon have confirmed there was no Saddam/al-Qaeda link and that there were not WMD. The head of the UN inspection team said the same thing before the war.

    We supported Saddam when he was at his most murderous assholedness, so that can't be the source fear by some in the US. I just don't get the fear by some in the most powerful country on the planet!
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    Re: Was Invading Iraq the Right Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Germany was invading its neighboring countries. Iraq had no such capability after Desert Storm and the CIA and the Pentagon have confirmed there was no Saddam/al-Qaeda link and that there were not WMD. The head of the UN inspection team said the same thing before the war.

    We supported Saddam when he was at his most murderous assholedness, so that can't be the source fear by some in the US. I just don't get the fear by some in the most powerful country on the planet!
    How did we let Germany invade other nations. How could they possibly rebuild their military to levels that were clearly in violation of the treaty? Because we and our allies let them. Same scenario with Saddam. He was always going to be a threat to our interests in the region as well as being a potential supplier of weapons to terrorist groups, or even worse if he died and his country dissolved into absolute chaos with his retarded sons in power. We may have a similar government like Iran in power there.

    The fear is real because we are very vulnerable with our open borders. It wouldn't take much to hurt us with this new threat of terrorism regardless of how "powerful" we are.
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    Re: Was Invading Iraq the Right Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Awesome! View Post
    How did we let Germany invade other nations. How could they possibly rebuild their military to levels that were clearly in violation of the treaty? Because we and our allies let them. Same scenario with Saddam. He was always going to be a threat to our interests in the region as well as being a potential supplier of weapons to terrorist groups, or even worse if he died and his country dissolved into absolute chaos with his retarded sons in power. We may have a similar government like Iran in power there.

    The fear is real because we are very vulnerable with our open borders. It wouldn't take much to hurt us with this new threat of terrorism regardless of how "powerful" we are.
    Unlike Germany, he was currently decimated at the time we invaded. Unlike Germany, he was not killing at the levels that warranted invasion (something we didn't about Germany until we got there, as the camps were a surprise). Unlike Germany, Saddam was not currently invading anyone when we invaded. Unlike Germany, Saddam and Iraq did not have the remotest capability to resist us, let alone truly threaten us.

    The comparison simply doesn't work.

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    Re: Was Invading Iraq the Right Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    All you have pointed out are the technical violations that did not confirm any threat to anyone. That is why the UN did not approve our attack on Iraq.
    All I did was confirm technical violations?

    I understand it may be impossible to operate outside of your agenda and ideology, but the fact is those technical violations were reported for years by IAEA inspectors, and were contained in reports submitted to the UN. Those violations were so egregious that the IAEA appealed to the UN to hold Iraq accountable for the violations. Which they did. Further, those demands then led Iraq to kick the weapons inspectors out of the country before they would allow them into places their investigations indicated were suspicious.

    And yet you only call that technical violations? I can't address delusion.

    As to the UN's conclusions, I frankly don't understand why anyone would put any weight into what the pathetic UN has concluded, given the fact they let Iraqis starve while they lined their pockets with blood money.

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    Re: Was Invading Iraq the Right Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    All I did was confirm technical violations?

    I understand it may be impossible to operate outside of your agenda and ideology, but the fact is those technical violations were reported for years by IAEA inspectors, and were contained in reports submitted to the UN. Those violations were so egregious that the IAEA appealed to the UN to hold Iraq accountable for the violations. Which they did. Further, those demands then led Iraq to kick the weapons inspectors out of the country before they would allow them into places their investigations indicated were suspicious.

    And yet you only call that technical violations? I can't address delusion.

    As to the UN's conclusions, I frankly don't understand why anyone would put any weight into what the pathetic UN has concluded, given the fact they let Iraqis starve while they lined their pockets with blood money.
    Whether you put weight into it or not, those were UN restrictions. Only they had the authority to enforce their restrictions. The inspectors knew most weapons had been destroyed. Anyone looking knew there was little evidence of any more being created. And at the time of the invasion, we had inspectors on the ground calling for more time. So any argument for invasion on those grounds is weak.

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    Re: Was Invading Iraq the Right Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Unlike Germany, he was currently decimated at the time we invaded. Unlike Germany, he was not killing at the levels that warranted invasion (something we didn't about Germany until we got there, as the camps were a surprise). Unlike Germany, Saddam was not currently invading anyone when we invaded. Unlike Germany, Saddam and Iraq did not have the remotest capability to resist us, let alone truly threaten us.

    The comparison simply doesn't work.
    second...Hitler had one of history's greatest militaries under his command...Saddam had scared conscripts and Soviet surplus.

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    Re: Was Invading Iraq the Right Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Whether you put weight into it or not, those were UN restrictions. Only they had the authority to enforce their restrictions. The inspectors knew most weapons had been destroyed. Anyone looking knew there was little evidence of any more being created. And at the time of the invasion, we had inspectors on the ground calling for more time. So any argument for invasion on those grounds is weak.
    No argument for invasion was made. Any argument that it was known there were no WMD's is weak, and not supported by any credible evidence. The fact the inspectors were asking for more time proves this to be absolutely true.

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    Re: Was Invading Iraq the Right Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    No argument for invasion was made. Any argument that it was known there were no WMD's is weak, and not supported by any credible evidence. The fact the inspectors were asking for more time proves this to be absolutely true.
    damn it man! this is the internet, you can't make subtle arguments here!

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    Re: Was Invading Iraq the Right Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    No argument for invasion was made. Any argument that it was known there were no WMD's is weak, and not supported by any credible evidence. The fact the inspectors were asking for more time proves this to be absolutely true.
    We knew pretty well concerning the WMDs that there were likely a few left over weapons. We had no credible intel that there were any programs to develop new weapons. The burden of proof lies with the person saying Saddam was a growing threat (new programs).

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    Re: Was Invading Iraq the Right Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    We knew pretty well concerning the WMDs that there were likely a few left over weapons. We had no credible intel that there were any programs to develop new weapons. The burden of proof lies with the person saying Saddam was a growing threat (new programs).
    It's the "pretty wells" that can get you killed...Ask the Kurds.

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