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    Re: Was Invading Iraq the Right Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by WWGWD View Post
    So, I would like to probe a little further on this. It has been demonstrated through multiple outlets, and from multiple people with in the DOD and the intelligence community, that said the level of certainty being portrayed, did not match the level of reliability, when it comes to the information that led us believe WMD's existed within Iraq. So, knowing what we know now about how that intelligence came to be, you would say it was the right thing to do? Regarless of whether or not the world is better off without Saddam. That's not why we went to Iraq, we were told we were going into Iraq because Saddam had WMD's, that could be selling to terrorist, with the intention of harming Americans. That was the narrative and the jusdification for invading a sovereign nation like we did.

    And what does it say that they stayed long, long after, well into another presidency in fact even though Saddam was caught, tried, and killed and they had no WMD's?
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    Re: Was Invading Iraq the Right Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    I'm still wondering if Clinton even HAD a foreign policy.
    hell yeah he did...trade with the "good" guys, bomb the "bad" guys.

    For that matter what was a Janet Reno?

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    Re: Was Invading Iraq the Right Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by WWGWD View Post
    So, I would like to probe a little further on this. It has been demonstrated through multiple outlets, and from multiple people with in the DOD and the intelligence community, that said the level of certainty being portrayed, did not match the level of reliability, when it comes to the information that led us believe WMD's existed within Iraq. So, knowing what we know now about how that intelligence came to be, you would say it was the right thing to do? Regarless of whether or not the world is better off without Saddam. That's not why we went to Iraq, we were told we were going into Iraq because Saddam had WMD's, that could be selling to terrorist, with the intention of harming Americans. That was the narrative and the jusdification for invading a sovereign nation like we did.
    Looking back now I would not have had Iraq as a priority. But at the time when the decision was made given the info we had (that many in the international community seemed to agree with) it was the right thing to do.
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    Re: Was Invading Iraq the Right Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eynon View Post
    ok...how about fruit out of season? can we engage in international commerce for that?
    No. I'm not sure what part of Isolationism you're missing. No oil. No out of season fruit. Nothing.

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    Re: Was Invading Iraq the Right Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eynon View Post
    hell yeah he did...trade with the "good" guys, bomb the "bad" guys.



    OK, to a first grader, I guess that would serve as a foreign policy. As an aside, after 25 years in political journalism I am still connected in some circles. While Brian Mulroney loved Reagan and Democrats usually get along with Canadian prime ministers, Clinton and Chretien loathed one another. I am told that Clinton thought Chretien an idiot, easy to do since he had a heavy French accent and a speech impediment, while Chretien thought Clinton was a 'airhead'. Things actually improved under Bush, in that Chretien was able to get Bush to accept Canada was NOT going into Iraq; Harper and Obama are "chilly" with one another and it is said the two men dare not talk policy at all.
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    Re: Was Invading Iraq the Right Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Looking back now I would not have had Iraq as a priority. But at the time when the decision was made given the info we had (that many in the international community seemed to agree with) it was the right thing to do.
    Hmmm, I find that interesting. I've seen a lot of interviews with members of the intelligence community who say the President's administration used them as scapegoats to promote exactly what you are saying here. I've heard and read quite a few different accounts of that intelligence being manipulated in order to make the case that WMD's were there. I guess it's one of those unanswerable questions, because it can always be spun one way or another.
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    Re: Was Invading Iraq the Right Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    No. I'm not sure what part of Isolationism you're missing. No oil. No out of season fruit. Nothing.
    now look here I can handle the lack of scotch and strawberries in January, but your stance would severely limit my ability...indeed the ability of thousands of young Americans just like me, to hook up with Polish girls...and that sir, I can not abide.

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    Re: Was Invading Iraq the Right Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by WWGWD View Post
    Hmmm, I find that interesting. I've seen a lot of interviews with members of the intelligence community who say the President's administration used them as scapegoats to promote exactly what you are saying here. I've heard and read quite a few different accounts of that intelligence being manipulated in order to make the case that WMD's were there. I guess it's one of those unanswerable questions, because it can always be spun one way or another.
    There will always be those that disagree or hold a conspiracy theory. It wasn't just the US that believed Sadam had WMDs, many in the international community also believed that was the case and several other nations helped us in the endeavor. Knowing what we know now I probably wouldn't go into Iraq. Knowing and believing what we did at the time I would support it.
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    Re: Was Invading Iraq the Right Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eynon View Post
    now look here I can handle the lack of scotch and strawberries in January, but your stance would severely limit my ability...indeed the ability of thousands of young Americans just like me, to hook up with Polish girls...and that sir, I can not abide.
    You're young. You'll get over it. Find yourself a nice American girl, settle down, get a job, marry her and have a couple kids. I'm sure you'll forget all about it in a couple years.

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    Re: Was Invading Iraq the Right Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    OK, to a first grader, I guess that would serve as a foreign policy.
    or francis fukuyama

    As an aside, after 25 years in political journalism I am still connected in some circles. While Brian Mulroney loved Reagan and Democrats usually get along with Canadian prime ministers, Clinton and Chretien loathed one another. I am told that Clinton thought Chretien an idiot, easy to do since he had a heavy French accent and a speech impediment, while Chretien thought Clinton was a 'airhead'. Things actually improved under Bush, in that Chretien was able to get Bush to accept Canada was NOT going into Iraq; Harper and Obama are "chilly" with one another and it is said the two men dare not talk policy at all.
    considering how well Canada seems to be run relative to the US that makes no sense.

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