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    Re: Was Invading Iraq the Right Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I don't like it whatsoever that oil dependency controls our military policy, especially knowing we have other options. Drive Electric: Military - YouTube

    That's not the say I think President Bush was not fully convinced Saddam Hussein was on the path of having WMDs that he would use directly or indirectly against the American people and led the nation to war with Iraq over nothing greater than his concern for us. What I'm saying is the complex circumstances that led to the war were created by the monopoly petroleum had and still has over the American people and our ability in engage in commerce. The quicker we have other viable transportation energy options, the better for a peaceful world and I think over the mid term, a more robust US economy.

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    All the evidence points more to it being about control of the oil than to WMD.

    I think McCain put it best, "an energy policy which will eliminate our dependence on oil from Middle East that will then prevent us from having ever to send our young men and women into conflict again in the Middle East."
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    Re: Was Invading Iraq the Right Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    A majority of us are conservatives, sadly...

    figure I'd split some hairs here...it's true that plenty of conservatives are hawks, but some of the most vocal doves are also on the right. likewise the progressive movement seems to be split as well, plenty of progressive hawks out their pushing humanitarian intervention...this is one of my major problems with the whole left/right paradigm it's served to pigeon-hole ideologies and limit the voice of any viable peace movement.

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    Re: Was Invading Iraq the Right Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eynon View Post
    wait...you don't believe in "commerce" with all nations? just where the hell am I supposed to get my scotch?
    That's your problem. If I believed that consumable alcohol was proper I'd suggest making it yourself, though you'd obviously have to wait quite a while to get the good stuff.

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    Re: Was Invading Iraq the Right Choice?

    Yes, it was the right thing given the fact that many nations believed Sadam had WMDs. We should do the same to Iran soon. Regardless, the world is better without Sadam.
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    Re: Was Invading Iraq the Right Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eynon View Post
    I...wah? when did Saddam declare war on us?
    IIRC it was May 17, 1987

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    Re: Was Invading Iraq the Right Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eynon View Post
    in terms of his foreign policy? yes.
    I'm still wondering if Clinton even HAD a foreign policy.

    For that matter what was a Janet Reno?
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    Re: Was Invading Iraq the Right Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Yes, it was the right thing given the fact that many nations believed Sadam had WMDs. We should do the same to Iran soon. Regardless, the world is better without Sadam.
    So, I would like to probe a little further on this. It has been demonstrated through multiple outlets, and from multiple people with in the DOD and the intelligence community, that said the level of certainty being portrayed, did not match the level of reliability, when it comes to the information that led us believe WMD's existed within Iraq. So, knowing what we know now about how that intelligence came to be, you would say it was the right thing to do? Regarless of whether or not the world is better off without Saddam. That's not why we went to Iraq, we were told we were going into Iraq because Saddam had WMD's, that could be selling to terrorist, with the intention of harming Americans. That was the narrative and the jusdification for invading a sovereign nation like we did.
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    Re: Was Invading Iraq the Right Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    That's your problem. If I believed that consumable alcohol was proper I'd suggest making it yourself, though you'd obviously have to wait quite a while to get the good stuff.
    ok...how about fruit out of season? can we engage in international commerce for that?

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    Re: Was Invading Iraq the Right Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eynon View Post
    figure I'd split some hairs here...it's true that plenty of conservatives are hawks, but some of the most vocal doves are also on the right. likewise the progressive movement seems to be split as well, plenty of progressive hawks out their pushing humanitarian intervention...this is one of my major problems with the whole left/right paradigm it's served to pigeon-hole ideologies and limit the voice of any viable peace movement.
    Agreed.

    The greatest doves often happen to be retired soldiers, especially commissioned officers. Dwight. D. Eisenhower made several "dove" speeches during his terms and closed with the now world famous warning about the "military industrial complex".

    I known one or two and read about a few others, generals mainly, and they always seem to be Republicans.
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    Re: Was Invading Iraq the Right Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    IIRC it was May 17, 1987
    so does that mean that Israel declared war on us on June 8, 1967?

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