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    Re: Should you prove you are a citizen when register to vote?(please read before voti

    Short answer: Yes, proof should be required.

    I struggle with the argument: If we as a society require proof of citizenship, then we as a society should provide the means of proof of citizenship. I.E. at birth, provide with a free birth certificate from the county courthouse (or free form of whatever identification would suffice) - whether a home-delivery or not, etc.

    The reasoning behind that argument is that such a new law would be imposing additional hurdles to vote (which is an inherent right of all citizens) and that we should never obstruct inherent rights, unless they infringe on the rights of others.

    That being said, there are obstacles to vote. You must have the means to get to the polls for example. We don't expect our society to jump those hurdles for each individual, but then again, those hurdles weren't created by society.

    Regardless, my answer is 'yes, you need proof'. But how to get there is a question unanswered.

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    Re: Should you prove you are a citizen when register to vote?(please read before voti

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I love when the right goes off on "there's no right to vote." I guess it would be OK if you were disenfranchised since it's not in the Constitution.
    Dont change the subject.

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    Re: Should you prove you are a citizen when register to vote?(please read before voti

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    What is acceptable proof? Who is the judge that decides if the proof is sufficient?
    Again: I recall a case where a birth certificate bound decades ago in a state owned and controlled book isn't sufficient to prove citizenship.
    Whatever the people agree to. In this case, the law specifies that the state legislatures make the rules, but that congress can amend them. The judge who deals with any disuptes is whoever has jurisdiction, again decided by the people.

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    Re: Should you prove you are a citizen when register to vote?(please read before voti

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Dont change the subject.
    I'm not the one bringing gun control into it at all. If you were disenfranchised, would you be OK with that?


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    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: Should you prove you are a citizen when register to vote?(please read before voti

    My question is - how do you prove you are a citizen? Birth certificate - no. Lots of people born here are not citizens, and the reverse is true. Passport - not unless it was issued the day you intend to vote. Lots of people with U.S. Passports are no longer citizens. Naturalization papers? See passports. What about those naturalized citizens who change their minds and go back home? Driver's license? Laughable. Military ID? Lots of foreign nationals serve in the U.S. military.

    Again - I'm all for proving citizenship if somebody can tell me how to do it conclusively. The operative word here is 'prove', not that you are 'likely' a citizen.

    Of course we could always go for some sort of national identity card or even a 'citizenship chip'. I imagine those on the Right would love that.
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    Re: Should you prove you are a citizen when register to vote?(please read before voti

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    My question is - how do you prove you are a citizen? Birth certificate - no. Lots of people born here are not citizens, and the reverse is true. Passport - not unless it was issued the day you intend to vote. Lots of people with U.S. Passports are no longer citizens. Naturalization papers? See passports. What about those naturalized citizens who change their minds and go back home? Driver's license? Laughable. Military ID? Lots of foreign nationals serve in the U.S. military.

    Again - I'm all for proving citizenship if somebody can tell me how to do it conclusively. The operative word here is 'prove', not that you are 'likely' a citizen.

    Of course we could always go for some sort of national identity card or even a 'citizenship chip'. I imagine those on the Right would love that.
    Can you name one person with a passport who is not a citizen?

    As for people born here, yes, some people born here can choose not to be citizens--children of diplomats. Even the King of Thailand was born here. Lots, not likely.

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    Re: Should you prove you are a citizen when register to vote?(please read before voti

    I know personally of people with U.S. passports who have renounced their citizenship. There are a whole bunch of guys in Canada to whom that was applicable not that many years ago. I have a good friend who was born here of German parents, has a U.S. passport, and has decided to retire to Germany and become a German citizen, which German law allows.

    The operative word here is 'prove', not 'likely'. If you are going to deny somebody the right to vote then it would seem you ought to be very careful in the manner in which you disenfranchise them.

    But if your point is that every voter ought to have a U.S. passport, then I think a lot of poor people might consider buying food to be a more pressing use of their dollars.
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    Re: Should you prove you are a citizen when register to vote?(please read before voti

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I'm not the one bringing gun control into it at all. If you were disenfranchised, would you be OK with that?
    Originally Posted by rocket88

    What about the hypocrisy of the right that calls needing ID to buy a gun an infringement, but needing ID to vote is fine.
    Did you write that?

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    Re: Should you prove you are a citizen when register to vote?(please read before voti

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    My question is - how do you prove you are a citizen? Birth certificate - no. Lots of people born here are not citizens, and the reverse is true. Passport - not unless it was issued the day you intend to vote. Lots of people with U.S. Passports are no longer citizens. Naturalization papers? See passports. What about those naturalized citizens who change their minds and go back home? Driver's license? Laughable. Military ID? Lots of foreign nationals serve in the U.S. military.

    Again - I'm all for proving citizenship if somebody can tell me how to do it conclusively. The operative word here is 'prove', not that you are 'likely' a citizen.

    Of course we could always go for some sort of national identity card or even a 'citizenship chip'. I imagine those on the Right would love that.
    Evidence of U.S. Citizenship
    In general, you must provide your U.S. birth certificate or U.S. Passport. Other documents you may provide are a Consular Report of Birth, Certificate of Citizenship, or Certificate of Naturalization.

    That is the govts standard of proof, so if you meet it, you have conclusively proved to the govt that you are a citizen.

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    Re: Should you prove you are a citizen when register to vote?(please read before voti

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    I know personally of people with U.S. passports who have renounced their citizenship. There are a whole bunch of guys in Canada to whom that was applicable not that many years ago. I have a good friend who was born here of German parents, has a U.S. passport, and has decided to retire to Germany and become a German citizen, which German law allows.

    The operative word here is 'prove', not 'likely'. If you are going to deny somebody the right to vote then it would seem you ought to be very careful in the manner in which you disenfranchise them.

    But if your point is that every voter ought to have a U.S. passport, then I think a lot of poor people might consider buying food to be a more pressing use of their dollars.
    If they officially renounced, then they are not valid passports.

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