View Poll Results: Is today's CORPORATISM any different from King George III?

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  • There is no comparison!

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  • Corporatism is Fascism in disguise!

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    Re: Putting Corporations in their place.

    Is there and difference between Unions and King George III?

    NONE!!

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    Re: Putting Corporations in their place.

    Corperations are fictional legal enitities. They are creatures created by the government for the basic purpose of limiting liability to investors in a business enterprize. This means that Corperations while made up of people, ARE NOT PEOPLE. The people of the corperation have inaleinable rights. The corperation only has those rights granted by govenment for the promotion and furtherance of commerce. This does not mean that the individuals who are part of the corperation lose thir rights, far from it. Rather they retain their rights as individials and the GOVERNMENT protects them from CERTAIN liabilities as prescribed by law under SPECFIC circumstances. This is were it seems in my opinion the courts have got it wrong, that the Corperations are the EQUIVALENT of people. They clearly are not. Corperations DO NOT have minds of their own and CAN NOT exist without people running them. This is only common sense. But this leaves a small problem, which seems to be the crux of the matter, can a corperation particpate in the political areana. The answer is both yes and no. Corperation do NOT get a vote. Only the people who make up the corperation do. The question of Corperations voting is moot, they dont. The question of wheather they should be allowed to advocate for their own interests is not. Remember a corperation is a fictional legal enititie, and a GROUP of people with common interests. Therefore the real question is SHOULD a GROUP of people regardless of what they call themselves advocate for the causes that are in their interests and against those that are not. I would say YES. The reason being that the individual has an INALEANABLE right to associate with whomever they choose and further colaberate in whatever lawful manner they choose, in the excercise of their natural rights. As laws should be applied uniformally, the other option would be to limit the exercise of free speach to individauls ONLY. This means no adveratising by anybody but individauls. I trust that you are intelligent enough to begin to understand the implications of that train of thought.
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    Re: Putting Corporations in their place.

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I always laugh a little when people criticize corporations or businesses by saying something like, "they only care about making money." There's a term for corporations that don't turn a profit - bankrupt.
    Thanks. I didn't know that I was so fully informed. I now know all I have to know about corporations. Even the ones in the Cayman Islands have to make a profit or they couldn't afford their facility, i.e. their PO Box.

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    Re: Putting Corporations in their place.

    Quote Originally Posted by GmH View Post
    Is there and difference between Unions and King George III?

    NONE!!
    So the King would have to go on strike to get a better deal from the unions and his family would go hungry too.
    Perfect symmetry.

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    Re: Putting Corporations in their place.

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    However you try to justify the comment, a comment like that shows a complete lack of understanding as to the very reason for a corporations existence. It also shows a lack of awareness that a profitable business is actually a good thing.
    I am pretty sure the person stating it knows what the lifeblood of business is. You fool yourself that they don't ... in order to take an irrelevant cheap shot, and fool yourself further into thinking you have somehow made a point.
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    Re: Putting Corporations in their place.

    I believe in separation of corporation and state!

    I am happy if companies/corporations can do well ... when they start legislating, buying elections, poisoning and bankrupting citizens by manipulating laws and violate basic human ethics or manipulating markets that destroy the middle class that is where I have serious issues.

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    Re: Putting Corporations in their place.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD
    If that's true, then why haven't liberals fought for campaign finance reform? That's all it would take, after all.
    While I'm sure that some have tried, going against an entrenched hegemony is insanely difficult. And really, this really shouldn't be a partisan issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor
    Really? So you're fine with corporations making as much money as legally possible?
    Why would anyone be against corporations making as much money as legally possible? That's like being against fire burning everything it comes into contact with. Both are amoral and simply follow their natures...which is why "legally possible" needs a good long look with candid political discussion, because too many people are getting burned.

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    Re: Putting Corporations in their place.

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    So the King would have to go on strike to get a better deal from the unions and his family would go hungry too.
    Perfect symmetry.
    One must acknowledge that King George gave approval for the Royal Bank of England to fund expeditions, etc. to develop the Americas. I do not see much change. For example; how much difference is the Bank of England today and maybe JPMorganChase or B of A. Too big to fail translates to having strong political power. Do the banks control our Nation??? That's a serious question and are they any different from King George's Bank?

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    Re: Putting Corporations in their place.

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    One must acknowledge that King George gave approval for the Royal Bank of England to fund expeditions, etc. to develop the Americas. I do not see much change. For example; how much difference is the Bank of England today and maybe JPMorganChase or B of A. Too big to fail translates to having strong political power. Do the banks control our Nation??? That's a serious question and are they any different from King George's Bank?
    All businesses want to control the nation. Many churches want to control the nation to get us aligned with the correct God etc. Banks are among the best at controlling for their profit, especially for the CEO types, but banks are not yet in complete control. Is your water company too big to fail?

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    Re: Putting Corporations in their place.

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    All businesses want to control the nation. Many churches want to control the nation to get us aligned with the correct God etc. Banks are among the best at controlling for their profit, especially for the CEO types, but banks are not yet in complete control. Is your water company too big to fail?

    The Federal Reserve Bank CORPORATION does seem to have complete control. Is there a Reserve Bank of Reserve Banks and how do these banks function on International scales regarding currency controls and World Reserve Currency?

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