View Poll Results: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

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  • Yes. Having children is a moral obligation to God/society/family/etc.

    9 3.93%
  • No, they are free not to have children. They don't have to answer to anybody

    161 70.31%
  • Not if they have reproductive problems.

    2 0.87%
  • Yes, even if they have reproductive problems. They can adopt, you know.

    1 0.44%
  • They should get a medal for lowering world population.

    44 19.21%
  • Other

    10 4.37%
  • I don't know.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    IMO, those who adopt are "superior", BUT, we cannot overdo this inferior/superior thing...Best to be slightly judgmental..
    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    Absolutely not. In some ways, they are performing more of a public service than people who reproduce.
    I hesitate to use the term "superior," but I certainly think people who adopt are probably performing the most impactful service, in terms of the issue.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    While I personally think they are missing out on something beautiful and meaningful, it is their choice and not really my business.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    This gives me a great idea for a Sci-Fi novel where a gigantic meteor laden with tons of radium dust struck earth and the winds from the radium dust covered the earth sterilizing all humans.

    With no new babies the current children would be the remaining inhabitants. Slowly as generations died off the remaining inhabitants would watch their numbers slowly dwindle.

    Sure this is all a BS story but an interesting picture though.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Seems absurd.

    Not everyone is cut out to be a parent, at least not a proper one. Furthermore, it's a personal thing to bring a new life into this world and shouldn't be the result of peer pressure.
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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    In traditional societies, the answer is "hell yes". Spinsters and childless women were ridiculed, for example.
    But monks and nuns are respected and subsidized. Go figure.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    How do they contribute less to society?
    They are not taking on the burden and cost of seeing that it continues, as child-rearing couples are.

    Have some stats for us on that?
    An indirect one that is in the news quite alot lately - Medicare and Social Security are facing collapse. This is because we fund these programs by having future generations pay for current ones... yet the Baby Boomers failed to produce children in significant enough numbers to sustain their benefits. If the Boomers had had the same fertility rate as their parents, these programs would be fine.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    No, we're just more free. Why would someone be inferior for making a life choice that makes them happy?

    And what the hell is a moral obligation to society? I owe society kids? Seriously?
    This is a rather new switch.


    For most of mankinds' history, children were net-beneficial to the parents. Children performed free labor on the farm, and served as old-age security. Now, we have socialized old-age security, and the vast majority of our professions are not those that lend themselves (and would indeed be criminal to impose) to child labor. So, Child-Rearing has become a strong-net-burden for parents, imposing high cost for largely emotional return.

    However, yes, society does require children, and requires them to meet minimum numbers, or else society shall face financial collapse (thanks to that socialization of old-age security) and slow death. A society with fewer children today will be a poorer less vibrant society tomorrow.

    Child-Rearing now has the incentive structure of a Tragedy of the Commons. A Public Good (citizens) that is paid for through Private Expenditure (parents) creates, like pollution, defense, security, incentives for everyone to seek to cheat their neighbor.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    But monks and nuns are respected and subsidized. Go figure.
    Monks and nuns choose a life of selfless service. Parents choose a life of self-imposed austerity in order to support the life of another.

    The choice to live a life of service to others, in the form of parenthood, religious vocations, etc. is certainly superior to a life of selfish endeavor.
    The morality of abortion is not a religious belief, any more than the morality of slavery, apartheid, rape, larceny, murder or arson is a religious belief. These are norms of the natural law of mankind and can be legislated even in a completely religionless society.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    Monks and nuns choose a life of selfless service. Parents choose a life of self-imposed austerity in order to support the life of another.

    The choice to live a life of service to others, in the form of parenthood, religious vocations, etc. is certainly superior to a life of selfish endeavor.
    It is debatable whether a cloistered monk translating some hagiography from Greek to Latin is doing "selfless service". Personally, I have very mixed feelings about the swarms of young, strong Buddhist monks in some modern Asian countries who spend their days praying and meditating - and living off the food donations from dirt-poor peasants.

    On the other hand, a childless couple can be working and contributing way above their call of duty or monetary compensation. True, many people choose to stay childless to pursue their carriers - but it is not necessarily "a selfish endeavor".

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    It is debatable whether a cloistered monk translating some hagiography from Greek to Latin is doing "selfless service".
    They are serving the community of monks rather than attempting to enrich themselves in secular life.

    True, many people choose to stay childless to pursue their carriers - but it is not necessarily "a selfish endeavor".
    Here is where intent comes in to play. If your intent is to enrich yourself, from a moral standpoint you have done no good, regardless of the positive side effects. That's why family men are not automatically morally superior, which is why to the question of whether childless couples are inferior, I chose "other".

    This may be a good test question: where does your first dollar earned go? To yourself, or to your family? By that I mean, are you working primarily to support your family or social cause, or to support your own personal lifestyle?
    The morality of abortion is not a religious belief, any more than the morality of slavery, apartheid, rape, larceny, murder or arson is a religious belief. These are norms of the natural law of mankind and can be legislated even in a completely religionless society.

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