View Poll Results: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

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  • Yes. Having children is a moral obligation to God/society/family/etc.

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  • No, they are free not to have children. They don't have to answer to anybody

    161 70.31%
  • Not if they have reproductive problems.

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  • Yes, even if they have reproductive problems. They can adopt, you know.

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  • They should get a medal for lowering world population.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Keep in mind that every thug, criminal and lowlife parasite alive also had a mother and a father. Did those "contributions to society" help more than if they had not been born? Simply making babies is not enough, IMHO, to count as a contribution to society. Those that chose not to procreate and simply let those children run wild have also perhaps contributed to society.
    From the viewpoint of raising healthy, well-adjusted children simply Making Babies, agreed, is not enough. Children need parents, and ideally they need an actively involved mother and father (there's a reason social scientists call that "the gold standard"). That fact does not change the reality, however, that child-raising is an intensively time and resource consuming act.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by Soupnazi630 View Post
    Nope.

    You owe nothing to society which is nothing more than a concept in the first place.

    Every persons life is his or her own to do with as they see fit.
    sure. If you live by yourself on a tropical island, I suppose. If, however, you live inside of an actual society, you do indeed owe it lawful participation. Having had society make the necessary investments to keep you from being killed, for example, you owe it to society not to kill random people yourself, and they are right to demand remuneration from you (possibly in the form of your own life) if you disregard that burden upon you.

    If you are going to honestly disregard the Social Contract (as you seem to do), then I think you need to consider whether you should replace your "libertarian" self-assignment with "anarchist".

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Now that's interesting. You deliberately warp the position of those you disagree with to present them as some kind of 2-D cartoon character, apparently confidently assuming that you understand what we believe far better than we could, and then try (and fail) to back it with data that is half a century out of date, and yet try to accuse others of being patronizing.

    When you are ready to debate people rather than strawmen in this discussion, you're going to be a lot more effective. As for JB if you could link that, I'd appreciate - I'm in the process of dramatically cutting down DP time, and it's quite possible I simply never got back to the thread.
    CP, not only does nothing you said here make any sense in reference to my own posts, but you probably get thrashed on your evidence more consistently than anyone else on this entire forum. I just can't take you very seriously.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    sure. If you live by yourself on a tropical island, I suppose. If, however, you live inside of an actual society, you do indeed owe it lawful participation. Having had society make the necessary investments to keep you from being killed, for example, you owe it to society not to kill random people yourself, and they are right to demand remuneration from you (possibly in the form of your own life) if you disregard that burden upon you.

    If you are going to honestly disregard the Social Contract (as you seem to do), then I think you need to consider whether you should replace your "libertarian" self-assignment with "anarchist".
    No it applies aywhere you live. Every personslife is his or hers to do with as they see fit. Living in and participating in society may benefit one in many ways but in no way does this constitute a debt owed to society.

    The concept of oberying the law is not a debt a debt is something one most do. Obeying the law implies certian things one is NOT permitted to do. It is not because of some debt that most people refrain from stealing murdering and raping it is because most people understand that it is wrong to do so and in fact the law forbids it.

    Actually going giving or contributing something to society is a whole other matter and no one owes any such thing.

    The social contract is an idea it is not nor can it ever be construed as enforceable law. Perhaps you could show me the written document where you, I and others sign the contract.

    No one owes anything to society and that is not a strictly anarchist idea

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by Soupnazi630 View Post
    No it applies aywhere you live. Every persons life is his or hers to do with as they see fit. Living in and participating in society may benefit one in many ways but in no way does this constitute a debt owed to society.
    Agreed, assuming that the "as they see fit" part doesn't include willingly breaking the law. Thankfully, there is NO law requiring that all women and men must become parents by a certain age or something equally insane.

    Parenthood is OPTIONAL, not required.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    I think an childless couple can be a big brother or big sister to many children thereby helping much more tan one or two.

    Why would anybody look down on a childless couple?

    Hell in China they might win a prize.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Considered inferior by whom? Other people? Don't care, by the state absolutely not.

    I think couples that adopt patentless children should be celebrated, because they are fixing problems. A lot of problems at that.
    Last edited by CLAX1911; 03-27-14 at 07:29 PM.
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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Many couples don't have children for various reasons. Should they be considered inferior in society?
    My first question is: Why?
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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    Considered inferior by whom? Other people? Don't care, by the state absolutely not.

    I think couples that adopt patentless children should be celebrated, because they are fixing problems. A lot of problems at that.
    Which kids come with patents? Could be quite an investment...
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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    I think an childless couple can be a big brother or big sister to many children thereby helping much more tan one or two.

    Why would anybody look down on a childless couple?

    Hell in China they might win a prize.
    Tan children would get a Big Brother or Sister much more easily than some little pasty looking child. Good point.
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