View Poll Results: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

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  • Yes. Having children is a moral obligation to God/society/family/etc.

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  • No, they are free not to have children. They don't have to answer to anybody

    161 70.31%
  • Not if they have reproductive problems.

    2 0.87%
  • Yes, even if they have reproductive problems. They can adopt, you know.

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  • They should get a medal for lowering world population.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    No. Why, precisely?

    I'm quite intentionally childfree. And from what I've seen of the world, I don't really notice any superiority of people who just happen to have reproduced on any metric.



    How so? How is simply breeding a contribution?

    And how do you reckon people who don't reproduce -- a lot of whom don't because they occupy very challenging careers that possibly benefit your children -- aren't contributing?
    All very clever...beware that after you are dissatisfied with your ''challenging career'' that Mother nature just doesn't pay you a visit and deal you the need to reproduce card...

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Your desire to believe you aren't really choosing to bring someone else into being for your own reasons without their input.
    But there isn't anybody there to ask yet. I don't believe I implied in any way that it's a selfless act.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    This is a greater tragedy than your lack of desire to have children; you already know how I feel about DNA, and families. That your family bonds are so frayed as to be nearly non-existent is something to mourn.
    I don't know any healthy family where people are not substantially different from each other. The ones where people seem to be very alike are extremely oppressive, and no one seems to be happy.

    I bond to people out of mutual respect and good treatment. A family member may or may not meet that criteria.

    What is the point of living a meaningful life if it is forgotten soon after your death? Your legacy is the meaning of your life sustained beyond your death.
    I don't care whether I am remembered -- I am not egotistical enough for it to make a difference. The effects our lives have continue whether or not we are remembered. I aim for mine to be positive.

    You know that I respect your brain. That's one reason I would prefer that you perpetuated your line-- not only genetically, but also culturally. The world needs more of you.
    Unfortunately, reproducing doesn't make "more of you." It makes "a whole new person who may be nothing like you."

    And besides that, I would have a lot less time to put my brain to use if my life revolved around the mundanities of children.

    You seem to be arguing that intelligent people would be better off hoping they'll pass their brains on than dedicating their lives to using them fully. At what point is someone in that legacy supposed to actually do something with it?

    And besides all of that, parenting is not the only -- or even the best -- way to influence culture.

    And then there's just the fact that I don't feel any obligation to anyone to throw away what I could do with life just because they would rather I reproduce.

    This is the converse of not needing children to have a family. You can have children and still not have a family. And that is a tragedy.
    Perhaps, but it goes against your idea that having children implies you will have family to look after you in old age.

    I think you know better.
    I do, so don't imply it.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfie View Post
    All very clever...beware that after you are dissatisfied with your ''challenging career'' that Mother nature just doesn't pay you a visit and deal you the need to reproduce card...
    You're assuming I will become dissatisfied. Plenty of women never do. The media's been barking this line of Helen Mirren for decades, yet here she is. Statistically, childfree women actually tend to be happier -- even in old age.

    I am not a dog, and I don't go into heat. People don't have a "need to reproduce" card. They have a sex drive, and social pressure. That is enough to keep most breeding.

    But on the off chance I ever suffer from a bout of temporary insanity and suddenly believe I must birth the messiah, fortunately I am already fixed.
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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    You're assuming I will become dissatisfied. Plenty of women never do. The media's been barking this line of Helen Mirren for decades, yet here she is. Statistically, childfree women actually tend to be happier.

    I am not a dog, and I don't go into heat. People don't have a "need to reproduce" card. They have a sex drive, and social pressure. That is enough to keep most breeding.

    But on the off chance I ever suffer from a bout of temporary insanity and suddenly believe I must birth the messiah, fortunately I am already fixed.
    So you've never completely loved a man enough to want his children?

    All about the career??

    I don't know how old you are..but I hope your ''fix'' is reversible..

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    fortunately I am already fixed.
    So, you have cut you balls, I mean eggs. Well, I wish good luck anyway.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfie View Post
    So you've never completely loved a man enough to want his children?

    All about the career??

    I don't know how old you are..but I hope your ''fix'' is reversible..
    I have completely loved a man, but I have no desire to have anyone's children. A man is himself. His offspring would be different people. Why would loving him make me want to have his offspring?

    No, not all about career, but I happen to do what I love.

    I'm 23. And no, it's permanent.
    Last edited by SmokeAndMirrors; 03-16-13 at 09:39 AM.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    So, you have cut you balls, I mean eggs. Well, I wish good luck anyway.
    No, just the tube that leads them into the blood chamber. The ova are still there. They just wander off to die somewhere in my abdominal cavity.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    I think it's best that married couples have children, but I wouldn't say they're inferior.
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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    I have completely loved a man, but I have no desire to have anyone's children. A man is himself. He is not his offspring. Why would loving him make me want to have his offspring?

    No, not all about career, but I happen to do what I love.

    I'm 23. And no, it's permanent.
    I'm shocked SM..why ever did you make such a decision at such an early age??

    Do you dislike children?

    Hey..they are not everyone's bag..

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